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hello everyone

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and welcome to the show i'm martin

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willis your host and thank you for being

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here it's a sunday afternoon

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and i really appreciate it and our guest

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is in germany

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and it's eight o'clock at night that's

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why he's on now

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and i wanted to get this ahead of our

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regular show

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uh which is usually on tuesdays and will

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be next week and

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so not next week but the following week

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uh jack silva will be on so this uh this

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podcast will be coming out at the normal

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time on tuesday nights

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and uh again i appreciate everyone that

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uh has shown up

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uh on the door here on on youtube

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and i'm really excited about our guest

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because uh

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i kept hearing about this website the

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debrief um

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and it was mysterious and launching on

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november 30th and

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and we're all waiting uh in the ufo

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field

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i a bunch of people were um emailing me

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from australia you name it from

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everywhere so the day comes

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on the 30th and uh

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the website is down i'm going to talk to

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him about it it crashed

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and it crashed over and over again a lot

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of anticipation on this

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so i like the way i heard tim

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put this uh disruptive technology

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that's so that's one of the things i

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want to report on

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and i think we're going to see more and

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more of that as time goes on and ufos

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are part of that

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that's kind of what they're they're

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um and you know there's there's been

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some harsh uh critics on

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some things uh for instance the mylar

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possible mylar balloon on one of the

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uh one of the articles and he makes no

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bones about he's putting the information

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out there he's not an expert it's up to

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the experts

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uh to check it out and come up with

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answers if they would like

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um he's not saying it's a ufo like he's

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more or less saying what is it that type

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of thing

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but anyway um we have a blog

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over on our website and that's podcast

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ufo

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and it is called as soon as i find it

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these are a weekly by charles lear he

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also does an audio blog that comes out

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on um on fridays ironically the name of

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blog is called ufos and balloons

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and there's a lot of stories about ufos

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and balloons um

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uh going all the way back to the 1948

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gorman dogfight and uh

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and uh there's some project uh blue book

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uh balloon cases and things like that

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it's very interesting

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another great blog by charles lear

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and so i also want to

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thank everyone that supports the show

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anyone can do that over at

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podcast ufo you can see the link to

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patreon

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and uh for two dollars or more a month

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or yearly pay

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payments you can do that as well i

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appreciate everyone that does support

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the show

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i appreciate everyone that listens to

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the show and uh coming up in a few weeks

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uh right before christmas i'm gonna give

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out some t-shirts

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and we do have t-shirts and merchandise

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available on our website as well

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and that's basically under merchandise

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tab on the website

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so our guest i am going to let him

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introduce himself he's a very

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interesting guy

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um again he's in germany he's been in

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law enforcement

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for over 16 years and here he is

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tim mcmillan welcome to the show tim

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hey martin how's it going good to be

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here yeah

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really glad uh really glad you were uh

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you know uh you wanted to come on the

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show and talk about

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what you're up to because uh you

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certainly caused quite a stir when that

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went up yeah no thanks for having me on

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yeah whose idea was that to to launch it

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you know on a time schedule like that

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it just kind of came about and i don't

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of moving parts so this uh

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the debrief is really the brainchild of

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who i think you're familiar with both

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been on my show a few times sure

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yeah see i got to catch up to them then

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um but we you know we were good friends

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we're good friends

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outside of uh you know professional life

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and uh you know mike is a professional

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podcaster mj was working advice and

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talking and chatting and everything we

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just cover the ufo subject but when we

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especially there were a lot of articles

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that me and mj

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teamed up together with or you know that

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i did myself maybe went out through vice

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somebody else and we put a lot of effort

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if the subject was anything but ufos you

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be completely normal like you know they

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you know important articles but we would

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turn them in and then

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we would when we finally see them

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published they'd have a splashy punchy

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and uh like a picture of tom delong you

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know you remember you

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intelligence committee and then

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you see your article and there's you

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discussed in congress and you're like so

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uh you know we decided to do our own

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stuff um we really this was supposed to

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that's for sure did you have to change

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your your server because your website

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kept crashing yep no and that was

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flooding it instantly so actually yeah

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uh we actually brought in a new another

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friend of ours who's a you know

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who was able to come in and that's steve

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bless him because you know those last

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involved uh him and micah taking

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moving it on to a new server and uh

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god bless them because they they've got

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it zipping now now we could handle

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they were rough and yeah it was it was

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you're like oh but nobody can get

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nuclear scientists oh yeah so i was

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thinking oh god we're getting hit by

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slight evidence that that was going on

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there was some errors on our part and a

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lot of traffic on everybody else's part

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so luckily i think we've got it fixed

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one of these stories here but before

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um and i think people like it i'm not

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but then as i like to hear about your

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background i know you have a background

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in law enforcement

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but uh that you have an interest in

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but i'd like to hear that sure no no i i

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like long walks on the beach and uh

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uh i i everything i've ever done has

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either been by accident and it all

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centers on the fact that i

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am just captivated by mysteries i love

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solving mysteries

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and so um i've told people after a

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very you know coming uh very close to

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actually going to

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uh rabbanical school becoming a rabbi of

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all things whether people believe it or

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uh i was in college to be i couldn't

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decide i want to be an astronomer or a

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a research cognitive psychologist yeah

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because i thought those were the two

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biggest mysteries in the world

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a human mind in the universe and so uh

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of course that translated into me going

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at 21 years old and um that was

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uh um i actually just kind of shared

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that uh recently on another show but

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that was a result of uh two friends i

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during college and uh they were murdered

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during a home invasion

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that made me decide to go in law

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enforcement because i wanted to do

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something

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and so uh still ended up finishing my

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undergrad and tried to balance graduate

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school

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and policing but that that was a little

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difficult especially i got married

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started having kids

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but my kind of niche in law enforcement

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i did a little bit of everything

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but i was a violent crimes investigator

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but my primary kind of uh focus was

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always i stuck with my

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psychology background so i was a

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behavioral analyst

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um intelligence criminal intelligence

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analyst

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um which is a nice way of saying

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profiler now i was a certified profiler

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and um i used to teach classes at junk i

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was a certified instructor

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all kind of focusing on interviews and

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interrogations

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cognitive psychology all of this nicky

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neat little stuff like that

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until for about 16 years close to 17

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years i just had my fill

311
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and took early retirement and

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worked for a year at as a investigator

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and an

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intelligence analyst for a private law

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firm

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for my wife who's a kindergarten teacher

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for the department of defense of all

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things uh

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got an opportunity for us to move to

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germany

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um and so we kind of jumped to that so

322
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i've been living in germany now for

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about a year

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um and so now i just kind of work from

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home writing

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investigating full-time now

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now working the debrief you uh do you

328
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like germany

329
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sure yeah yeah no it's been a great

330
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experience uh yeah we're

331
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you know about 30 minutes from france

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belgium or luxembourg and every

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direction nice

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wow yes wonderful yes a lot a lot of

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great

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once uh the pandemic passes i think

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it'll be a lot more fun because

338
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exactly yeah i'd like to talk to you

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um thank you for that all that i'd like

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to talk to you about this article

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because

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i knew this really this is where

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everybody was sending me

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right off the bat um which which ended

345
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up

346
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this is what i told you off-air you know

347
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that i liked about your

348
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your response on this is you know you're

349
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just reporting this you're not you're

350
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not saying this is definitely an

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unexplained ufo

352
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you're just saying this is a ufo at this

353
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at this point

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and then people right away said hey you

355
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know they figured out it was the batman

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balloon

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now i'm not sure if that's if they're

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100

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what are your thoughts on that

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sure well and i mean honestly the the

361
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origins for that article in that photo

362
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started the day before with the fast

363
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movers article

364
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um and uh i don't know if you had a

365
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chance to read that one but that one

366
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that one was always the

367
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the big piece that was going to come out

368
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was the fast movers article

369
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and that's one where i reported on if

370
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you're looking at the site you probably

371
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have to go up there to defense

372
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scroll down and you should be able to

373
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find um

374
00:13:07,509 --> 00:13:06,720
sorry no no no problem you can find it

375
00:13:10,870 --> 00:13:07,519
in there

376
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um here we go all right

377
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right there there you go if you scroll

378
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down

379
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let's see yeah there you go the green

380
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ones movers transmit

381
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yeah so the origin of the photo was was

382
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this article i mean this was the big one

383
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that i was working on this is where

384
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i have you know found out

385
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about half a year ago um about the first

386
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intelligence memo that had been

387
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published and released to the

388
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intelligence community and then

389
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subsequently found out about the second

390
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one

391
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shortly after it was released in

392
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september

393
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along with getting the emails from the

394
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joint chiefs of staff

395
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and so we never intended to publish the

396
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photo

397
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at first and in fact uh you know people

398
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have been confused about this but

399
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we actually didn't have a releasable

400
00:14:01,189 --> 00:13:57,600
copy of that photo until

401
00:14:03,829 --> 00:14:01,199
this first article was published um

402
00:14:05,829 --> 00:14:03,839
i you know any copies that we had or any

403
00:14:09,110 --> 00:14:05,839
materials that we had beforehand

404
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were all to uh verify

405
00:14:12,550 --> 00:14:11,360
uh the credibility and and back up and

406
00:14:15,110 --> 00:14:12,560
substantiate

407
00:14:16,870 --> 00:14:15,120
uh these intelligence reports that have

408
00:14:18,629 --> 00:14:16,880
been issued out

409
00:14:20,069 --> 00:14:18,639
but they weren't releasable stuff it was

410
00:14:23,590 --> 00:14:20,079
always for

411
00:14:25,269 --> 00:14:23,600
just verifying uh that the information

412
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we'd be reporting on was correct because

413
00:14:29,430 --> 00:14:26,399
unfortunately

414
00:14:31,350 --> 00:14:29,440
everybody that i spoke to they are

415
00:14:32,550 --> 00:14:31,360
active uh you know they weren't supposed

416
00:14:34,150 --> 00:14:32,560
to be talking they are

417
00:14:36,470 --> 00:14:34,160
active members of the intelligence

418
00:14:38,069 --> 00:14:36,480
committee our intelligence community or

419
00:14:41,509 --> 00:14:38,079
department of defense

420
00:14:43,269 --> 00:14:41,519
and uh they or you know

421
00:14:44,949 --> 00:14:43,279
the the information they were describing

422
00:14:45,509 --> 00:14:44,959
were housed on various classified

423
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systems

424
00:14:48,870 --> 00:14:46,639
and so they weren't supposed to talk

425
00:14:50,150 --> 00:14:48,880
about it um so we didn't have anything

426
00:14:51,990 --> 00:14:50,160
we could share but then the following

427
00:14:52,629 --> 00:14:52,000
day after this article was published and

428
00:14:55,829 --> 00:14:52,639
this is the one

429
00:14:57,670 --> 00:14:55,839
that actually crashed us initially um

430
00:14:59,189 --> 00:14:57,680
i think we got we got things fairly

431
00:15:02,230 --> 00:14:59,199
working fairly good by the

432
00:15:04,470 --> 00:15:02,240
next day when we released a photo but uh

433
00:15:06,230 --> 00:15:04,480
after after initially publishing this

434
00:15:09,350 --> 00:15:06,240
article um

435
00:15:12,949 --> 00:15:09,360
a you know a civilian research

436
00:15:15,990 --> 00:15:12,959
ufo researcher messaged me and uh

437
00:15:18,069 --> 00:15:16,000
they shared a photo of a photo

438
00:15:19,670 --> 00:15:18,079
of that balloon photo that we released

439
00:15:22,710 --> 00:15:19,680
and said hey have you seen this

440
00:15:24,629 --> 00:15:22,720
well at that point um

441
00:15:26,069 --> 00:15:24,639
any bets that we had initially of stuff

442
00:15:27,030 --> 00:15:26,079
that we wouldn't release and in terms of

443
00:15:29,509 --> 00:15:27,040
that photo were off

444
00:15:30,550 --> 00:15:29,519
and so because it had leaked to the wild

445
00:15:33,030 --> 00:15:30,560
obviously

446
00:15:33,590 --> 00:15:33,040
and so then that that next morning you

447
00:15:36,150 --> 00:15:33,600
know so

448
00:15:37,829 --> 00:15:36,160
by the time we got that you know within

449
00:15:40,710 --> 00:15:37,839
six hours we released the balloon

450
00:15:42,410 --> 00:15:40,720
the quote balloon photo and uh kicked

451
00:15:46,629 --> 00:15:42,420
off balloon gate i guess

452
00:15:50,389 --> 00:15:48,389
so what are we looking at right now on

453
00:15:53,430 --> 00:15:50,399
this on the screen here

454
00:15:54,150 --> 00:15:53,440
sure now this video i included in in

455
00:15:55,990 --> 00:15:54,160
that initial

456
00:15:58,230 --> 00:15:56,000
article frankly i think is one of the

457
00:16:00,870 --> 00:15:58,240
most fascinating videos that's kind of

458
00:16:03,670 --> 00:16:00,880
uh been forgotten about or overlooked

459
00:16:06,870 --> 00:16:03,680
this video was initially shot in 1993

460
00:16:09,910 --> 00:16:06,880
in over nellis range over a portion

461
00:16:13,670 --> 00:16:09,920
you know which famously known as area 51

462
00:16:15,829 --> 00:16:13,680
although this was not filmed over what

463
00:16:17,030 --> 00:16:15,839
is that technically area 51 this is just

464
00:16:20,310 --> 00:16:17,040
the area

465
00:16:22,310 --> 00:16:20,320
um but this video i was a i i got a

466
00:16:23,829 --> 00:16:22,320
full this is the full 12-minute copy of

467
00:16:26,949 --> 00:16:23,839
this video and i got it from

468
00:16:30,550 --> 00:16:26,959
a good buddy of mine um nick cook

469
00:16:32,710 --> 00:16:30,560
wrote the hunt for zero point um

470
00:16:34,230 --> 00:16:32,720
out of the uk good friend of mine and

471
00:16:36,389 --> 00:16:34,240
and we had spoken

472
00:16:38,310 --> 00:16:36,399
last year and we were talking about the

473
00:16:39,749 --> 00:16:38,320
tic tac and all these things and

474
00:16:41,829 --> 00:16:39,759
he said you know there's a video from

475
00:16:44,790 --> 00:16:41,839
the 90s i remember that

476
00:16:45,430 --> 00:16:44,800
kind of reminds me of this and a year

477
00:16:47,990 --> 00:16:45,440
later

478
00:16:48,710 --> 00:16:48,000
he ended up finding the copy and sent it

479
00:16:52,710 --> 00:16:48,720
to me

480
00:16:54,230 --> 00:16:52,720
now this video i think um

481
00:16:56,069 --> 00:16:54,240
a very small portion of this video was

482
00:16:59,110 --> 00:16:56,079
actually shown on inside edition

483
00:17:02,629 --> 00:16:59,120
i think in the mid 90s about

484
00:17:04,710 --> 00:17:02,639
30 second clip of it but but the full

485
00:17:05,909 --> 00:17:04,720
entire 12-minute version of this video

486
00:17:07,909 --> 00:17:05,919
um

487
00:17:09,590 --> 00:17:07,919
there's not a lot of copies around there

488
00:17:10,549 --> 00:17:09,600
i think i may have found one other on

489
00:17:13,510 --> 00:17:10,559
youtube

490
00:17:14,390 --> 00:17:13,520
but uh since we had one i uploaded it

491
00:17:15,750 --> 00:17:14,400
and wanted to enter

492
00:17:17,990 --> 00:17:15,760
you know wanted to include it in this

493
00:17:21,029 --> 00:17:18,000
article um

494
00:17:21,429 --> 00:17:21,039
because it's interesting you know i

495
00:17:25,429 --> 00:17:21,439
think

496
00:17:26,949 --> 00:17:25,439
um the story behind how it came about

497
00:17:28,789 --> 00:17:26,959
and i acknowledge in the the kind of

498
00:17:32,390 --> 00:17:28,799
comments of that in the youtube

499
00:17:35,270 --> 00:17:32,400
there the video is they seem dubious

500
00:17:37,430 --> 00:17:35,280
they were you're looking at a recording

501
00:17:41,590 --> 00:17:37,440
of a screen monitor

502
00:17:44,150 --> 00:17:41,600
um by a mobile radar station

503
00:17:45,430 --> 00:17:44,160
in nellis range actually two separate

504
00:17:46,630 --> 00:17:45,440
ones about the midway point of this

505
00:17:49,750 --> 00:17:46,640
video it'll switch

506
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to the the second radar station

507
00:17:54,789 --> 00:17:53,039
um however what we're looking at i i

508
00:17:56,549 --> 00:17:54,799
don't think has ever

509
00:17:58,870 --> 00:17:56,559
i have not seen any satisfactory

510
00:18:01,270 --> 00:17:58,880
explanation and if you go to

511
00:18:03,110 --> 00:18:01,280
the um the comment section of the video

512
00:18:04,789 --> 00:18:03,120
uh there's some great links there was a

513
00:18:06,230 --> 00:18:04,799
gentleman whose name escapes me at the

514
00:18:09,909 --> 00:18:06,240
moment and i apologize

515
00:18:11,990 --> 00:18:09,919
who did a phenomenal analysis of it um

516
00:18:13,990 --> 00:18:12,000
going back to the mid 90s and so we'd be

517
00:18:17,590 --> 00:18:14,000
linked to all of his work

518
00:18:19,430 --> 00:18:17,600
but i'm not aware of anybody being able

519
00:18:22,630 --> 00:18:19,440
to kind of identify what this is

520
00:18:23,510 --> 00:18:22,640
and for me one of the things that really

521
00:18:26,710 --> 00:18:23,520
intrigues me

522
00:18:28,630 --> 00:18:26,720
is some of the movements by the

523
00:18:30,710 --> 00:18:28,640
object and especially i think when you

524
00:18:34,230 --> 00:18:30,720
first cut it on you might have noticed

525
00:18:35,430 --> 00:18:34,240
uh you you'll you'll think initially

526
00:18:38,549 --> 00:18:35,440
yeah there you go

527
00:18:41,750 --> 00:18:38,559
you see how it just jumps around yeah um

528
00:18:43,029 --> 00:18:41,760
that's not consistent that's not normal

529
00:18:46,150 --> 00:18:43,039
what you're seeing there

530
00:18:48,070 --> 00:18:46,160
um you know and it would be hard for

531
00:18:49,590 --> 00:18:48,080
like a drone to do something i mean

532
00:18:51,750 --> 00:18:49,600
my first thought is it looks like a

533
00:18:54,230 --> 00:18:51,760
drone i know this is the 1990s

534
00:18:55,510 --> 00:18:54,240
but then for anything to move like that

535
00:18:58,070 --> 00:18:55,520
it it

536
00:18:59,029 --> 00:18:58,080
unless it's the camera that's moving you

537
00:19:00,630 --> 00:18:59,039
know

538
00:19:02,310 --> 00:19:00,640
sure i thought it was the camera at

539
00:19:04,870 --> 00:19:02,320
first and some of the angles where

540
00:19:06,789 --> 00:19:04,880
the uh where the background is a little

541
00:19:09,430 --> 00:19:06,799
clearer you can actually kind of

542
00:19:11,430 --> 00:19:09,440
set your your position on the background

543
00:19:12,710 --> 00:19:11,440
uh and at one point there's a shot with

544
00:19:13,430 --> 00:19:12,720
the camera you can actually see the

545
00:19:16,710 --> 00:19:13,440
mountains

546
00:19:20,230 --> 00:19:16,720
of uh nellis range in the background

547
00:19:21,270 --> 00:19:20,240
and um so it's not the camera that's

548
00:19:24,549 --> 00:19:21,280
jumping around there

549
00:19:26,070 --> 00:19:24,559
and it's fascinating to me i mean it

550
00:19:28,150 --> 00:19:26,080
reminds me

551
00:19:29,750 --> 00:19:28,160
this was um probably one of the most

552
00:19:31,669 --> 00:19:29,760
compelling interviews when i

553
00:19:32,870 --> 00:19:31,679
early started getting interested in

554
00:19:35,510 --> 00:19:32,880
investigating this stuff

555
00:19:37,190 --> 00:19:35,520
when i spoke with one of the pilots

556
00:19:40,230 --> 00:19:37,200
during the nimitz incident

557
00:19:43,110 --> 00:19:40,240
um one of the commander framers wingmen

558
00:19:44,950 --> 00:19:43,120
who hasn't come forward oh really you

559
00:19:49,190 --> 00:19:44,960
actually spoke to that person

560
00:19:52,390 --> 00:19:49,200
yeah and uh uh had a great conversation

561
00:19:54,070 --> 00:19:52,400
and she uh you know one of the things in

562
00:19:55,590 --> 00:19:54,080
fact she was she was willing to go on

563
00:19:56,230 --> 00:19:55,600
the record and come out by the navy

564
00:19:58,870 --> 00:19:56,240
she's still

565
00:20:00,310 --> 00:19:58,880
uh actively in the us navy and so they

566
00:20:02,789 --> 00:20:00,320
they shot it down

567
00:20:04,070 --> 00:20:02,799
but um which is unfortunate because i

568
00:20:07,270 --> 00:20:04,080
think if people

569
00:20:08,950 --> 00:20:07,280
uh you've often heard her referred to in

570
00:20:10,950 --> 00:20:08,960
as the story's been told now as the new

571
00:20:13,510 --> 00:20:10,960
girl and these types of things but i

572
00:20:14,310 --> 00:20:13,520
i wish people could uh get an idea of

573
00:20:17,669 --> 00:20:14,320
what her

574
00:20:18,149 --> 00:20:17,679
her background is or you know her career

575
00:20:21,190 --> 00:20:18,159
from

576
00:20:23,029 --> 00:20:21,200
2004 to today because um

577
00:20:25,669 --> 00:20:23,039
wasn't that her first flight though or

578
00:20:27,909 --> 00:20:25,679
something like that something crazy

579
00:20:30,230 --> 00:20:27,919
she was she was about she was about a

580
00:20:31,750 --> 00:20:30,240
year out of flight school that was her

581
00:20:33,110 --> 00:20:31,760
first time being attached

582
00:20:34,789 --> 00:20:33,120
you know the process to be a fighter

583
00:20:35,830 --> 00:20:34,799
pilot is pretty lengthy and this was her

584
00:20:38,630 --> 00:20:35,840
first attachment

585
00:20:40,390 --> 00:20:38,640
to oh i see the operational fleet and

586
00:20:40,870 --> 00:20:40,400
getting ready for deployment but i mean

587
00:20:47,350 --> 00:20:40,880
she

588
00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:47,360
since the navy won't come out so i won't

589
00:20:51,350 --> 00:20:48,960
give too many details but she's done

590
00:20:53,190 --> 00:20:51,360
some pretty incredible things and

591
00:20:54,710 --> 00:20:53,200
including but not limited to

592
00:20:56,549 --> 00:20:54,720
and this is no javit commander favor

593
00:20:59,029 --> 00:20:56,559
because i think he's a great guy but

594
00:20:59,590 --> 00:20:59,039
out of that whole crew um she is the

595
00:21:02,070 --> 00:20:59,600
only one

596
00:21:03,830 --> 00:21:02,080
who who has actually spent boots on the

597
00:21:04,390 --> 00:21:03,840
ground time in a war zone for over a

598
00:21:07,750 --> 00:21:04,400
year

599
00:21:09,669 --> 00:21:07,760
she was in afghanistan and uh so she's a

600
00:21:12,549 --> 00:21:09,679
very very accomplished pilot and so

601
00:21:13,350 --> 00:21:12,559
for her testimony here years later it's

602
00:21:16,230 --> 00:21:13,360
very compelling

603
00:21:16,630 --> 00:21:16,240
but she one thing she told me that

604
00:21:18,630 --> 00:21:16,640
really

605
00:21:20,230 --> 00:21:18,640
unnerved her the most when they

606
00:21:21,510 --> 00:21:20,240
encountered that object

607
00:21:23,510 --> 00:21:21,520
and and i don't think it's something

608
00:21:24,710 --> 00:21:23,520
that commander fravor saw

609
00:21:26,710 --> 00:21:24,720
or it's definitely not something that

610
00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:26,720
he's hit on as you see there where it

611
00:21:31,350 --> 00:21:28,080
kind of jumps

612
00:21:34,630 --> 00:21:31,360
um was that when that she first saw

613
00:21:37,350 --> 00:21:34,640
the tic tac it was um

614
00:21:38,390 --> 00:21:37,360
bouncing around like uh you know almost

615
00:21:41,510 --> 00:21:38,400
like a house fly

616
00:21:42,710 --> 00:21:41,520
or a ping pong like yeah in a way

617
00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:42,720
it's funny you said that because in a

618
00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:44,640
way that's what this thing looked like

619
00:21:47,669 --> 00:21:46,400
uh that we were looking at it almost

620
00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:47,679
looked like a fly would

621
00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:50,320
would do yep yep you know that's that's

622
00:21:55,270 --> 00:21:51,840
exactly

623
00:21:58,549 --> 00:21:55,280
why i think that that video

624
00:22:00,230 --> 00:21:58,559
personally i think could be a an extreme

625
00:22:01,830 --> 00:22:00,240
it could be very much like the nimitz

626
00:22:02,070 --> 00:22:01,840
case where you've got one that leaked

627
00:22:05,110 --> 00:22:02,080
out

628
00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:05,120
many years earlier and was kind of just

629
00:22:08,310 --> 00:22:06,320
discredited and people didn't pay

630
00:22:09,590 --> 00:22:08,320
attention to it um

631
00:22:11,190 --> 00:22:09,600
but you could be looking at something

632
00:22:11,669 --> 00:22:11,200
very compelling because you can see

633
00:22:14,950 --> 00:22:11,679
there

634
00:22:15,909 --> 00:22:14,960
see the horizon didn't move that's not

635
00:22:19,029 --> 00:22:15,919
the camera

636
00:22:21,590 --> 00:22:19,039
yeah i see that now yeah um

637
00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:21,600
and i mean that's you know like i said

638
00:22:24,390 --> 00:22:22,960
my background's in but a lot of

639
00:22:27,830 --> 00:22:24,400
behavioral investigation

640
00:22:29,590 --> 00:22:27,840
and um so i assess things kind of from a

641
00:22:32,310 --> 00:22:29,600
human behavior standpoint

642
00:22:33,029 --> 00:22:32,320
and when you're designing aerospace

643
00:22:35,590 --> 00:22:33,039
platforms

644
00:22:36,549 --> 00:22:35,600
you're designing new technology it

645
00:22:38,470 --> 00:22:36,559
doesn't matter whether it's an

646
00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:38,480
autonomous drone or if you're designing

647
00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:40,080
a new stealth aircraft

648
00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:42,240
it's all going to function in something

649
00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:43,280
that makes sense

650
00:22:47,350 --> 00:22:46,400
to you or human beings because that's

651
00:22:49,190 --> 00:22:47,360
who's designing it

652
00:22:51,190 --> 00:22:49,200
um so when you see these kind of

653
00:22:52,390 --> 00:22:51,200
nonsensical movements it doesn't exactly

654
00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:52,400
make sense

655
00:22:56,470 --> 00:22:54,960
it doesn't comport with what we would

656
00:22:58,230 --> 00:22:56,480
design something so for me that's always

657
00:23:02,710 --> 00:22:58,240
been very very interesting

658
00:23:03,669 --> 00:23:02,720
um yeah that video itself is one i think

659
00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:03,679
we need to look at

660
00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:07,200
more somebody does yeah yeah that's

661
00:23:11,029 --> 00:23:09,520
they um that that is one that could

662
00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:11,039
really use some analysis

663
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:12,720
on this one in this particular thing

664
00:23:17,350 --> 00:23:14,400
that we're showing here now this is

665
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:17,360
what i heard about um from so many

666
00:23:20,310 --> 00:23:17,760
people

667
00:23:22,230 --> 00:23:20,320
was hey there's uh this was going around

668
00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:22,240
and the intelligence well

669
00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:24,320
quote unquote viral in the intelligence

670
00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:25,360
department

671
00:23:31,990 --> 00:23:29,200
um as a not this is a uh

672
00:23:32,710 --> 00:23:32,000
this is not uh the original picture this

673
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:32,720
is uh

674
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:36,000
someone uh it's a recreation a rendition

675
00:23:40,230 --> 00:23:38,480
of what was seen but from what i

676
00:23:42,789 --> 00:23:40,240
understood this thing

677
00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:42,799
now correct me if i'm wrong supposedly

678
00:23:46,470 --> 00:23:44,400
came up out of the atlantic

679
00:23:47,669 --> 00:23:46,480
or the ocean i'm not sure what atlantic

680
00:23:50,789 --> 00:23:47,679
pacific or whatever

681
00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:50,799
but came up out of the ocean and

682
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:53,200
uh the pilot star took a picture of it

683
00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:54,640
and then it moved away

684
00:24:01,190 --> 00:23:58,080
like vertically on its side um is that

685
00:24:17,269 --> 00:24:01,200
is that kind of is it close that's

686
00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:21,190
provided by available uap task force um

687
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:25,279
in late 2020 so a couple months ago

688
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:28,559
and but this is not the other photo that

689
00:24:32,789 --> 00:24:30,720
we released the day later

690
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:32,799
and indeed you're accurate there is that

691
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:35,120
uh you know i was told by multiple

692
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:38,320
people that uh you know

693
00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:42,000
what there was a uh a triangular object

694
00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:42,320
with

695
00:24:46,149 --> 00:24:45,120
rounded blunted corners uh just like

696
00:24:48,149 --> 00:24:46,159
what's shown there

697
00:24:49,590 --> 00:24:48,159
that dave beatty of uh the nimitz

698
00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:49,600
encounters who did that film

699
00:24:53,669 --> 00:24:51,360
has done phenomenal work research in the

700
00:24:54,630 --> 00:24:53,679
event is who who did that recreation for

701
00:24:56,549 --> 00:24:54,640
me

702
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:56,559
um but exactly like what you see there

703
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:58,480
so three bright white lights in each

704
00:25:03,430 --> 00:24:59,039
corner

705
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:03,440
object supposedly

706
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:05,840
emerged from underneath the ocean in

707
00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:06,720
fact that

708
00:25:12,070 --> 00:25:08,880
that recent intelligence assessment port

709
00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:12,080
was almost exclusively pertaining to

710
00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:15,200
transmedium or underwater vehicles

711
00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:17,200
you know see i think the uap task force

712
00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:18,720
was actually very much focused

713
00:25:25,269 --> 00:25:21,919
on this idea that potentially um

714
00:25:26,549 --> 00:25:25,279
you know ufos or uap may have not just a

715
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:26,559
water connection but

716
00:25:29,669 --> 00:25:28,720
this may be some sort of transient

717
00:25:31,110 --> 00:25:29,679
staging area

718
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:31,120
you know that there's a lot more going

719
00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:33,919
on in our ocean than we realize

720
00:25:39,430 --> 00:25:37,679
um and yeah i mean everybody

721
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:39,440
who saw that assessment everybody who

722
00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:41,520
saw that photo

723
00:25:47,350 --> 00:25:44,720
was extremely taken back and um

724
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:47,360
i thought it was just really really

725
00:25:51,029 --> 00:25:48,480
compelling

726
00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:51,039
uh for me and my side because that's

727
00:25:53,350 --> 00:25:52,080
what

728
00:25:56,310 --> 00:25:53,360
i've always told people i've never

729
00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:56,320
actually written an article about ufos

730
00:26:00,789 --> 00:25:59,279
other than i did write one in vice news

731
00:26:01,990 --> 00:26:00,799
about stanton friedman's archives

732
00:26:02,310 --> 00:26:02,000
because i thought stanton was a great

733
00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:02,320
guy

734
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:03,760
i thought it was great that they were

735
00:26:07,830 --> 00:26:05,840
going through the process of archiving

736
00:26:09,430 --> 00:26:07,840
all of his materials but everything else

737
00:26:11,350 --> 00:26:09,440
in my real interest has always been

738
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:11,360
national security and defense

739
00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:12,640
now i've written plenty of stories that

740
00:26:14,789 --> 00:26:13,919
happen to be national security and

741
00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:14,799
defense stories

742
00:26:19,350 --> 00:26:18,080
that happen to involve ufos and uh

743
00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:19,360
but that's kind of where my bread and

744
00:26:23,909 --> 00:26:21,440
butter is in

745
00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:23,919
where i'm most comfortable is is in the

746
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:25,440
kind of military and intelligence

747
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:26,720
community

748
00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:29,760
um and so that article went viral

749
00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:31,520
i mean excuse me that photo and that

750
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:33,600
assessment went viral amongst the intel

751
00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:34,320
community

752
00:26:40,950 --> 00:26:38,960
um which is really really incredible

753
00:26:42,789 --> 00:26:40,960
and that was everybody said that that it

754
00:26:45,909 --> 00:26:42,799
was incredible that they would have been

755
00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:45,919
disseminated like that and um

756
00:26:50,950 --> 00:26:49,360
they were stunned um because you know

757
00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:50,960
when you send something like that out as

758
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:52,480
well this is going out to analysts

759
00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:52,960
across

760
00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:54,400
all sorts of different agencies it

761
00:26:57,669 --> 00:26:56,320
doesn't mean that they're necessarily

762
00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:57,679
part of the task force so that they're

763
00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:59,200
even going to do anything in the task

764
00:27:03,269 --> 00:27:00,960
force you just put it out

765
00:27:05,269 --> 00:27:03,279
so that analysts working in different

766
00:27:07,029 --> 00:27:05,279
intel areas

767
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:07,039
are aware of different issues that are

768
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:08,400
being looked at so in case

769
00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:10,720
you come across something you know maybe

770
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:12,480
you're you're working counterterrorism

771
00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:13,120
and

772
00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:15,039
you happen to pick up some signals

773
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:16,320
chatter about somebody talking about

774
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:17,760
seeing a ufo

775
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:20,880
you know in afghanistan you you where

776
00:27:24,389 --> 00:27:22,559
you might just discount that now you

777
00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:24,399
flag it and pass it along

778
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:26,159
um that's the reason these assessments

779
00:27:30,310 --> 00:27:27,600
go out like this

780
00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:30,320
um but they were all i mean there was uh

781
00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:31,200
you know there's

782
00:27:34,630 --> 00:27:33,360
there's neighborhoods in especially

783
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:34,640
around like santilli

784
00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:37,840
virginia area and maryland area where uh

785
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:39,200
you know everybody in the neighborhood

786
00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:40,320
all your neighbors work

787
00:27:43,590 --> 00:27:42,320
somewhere nobody really works where they

788
00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:43,600
say they work or

789
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:44,799
you know nobody talks about what they

790
00:27:49,510 --> 00:27:47,520
really do um but they're all

791
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:49,520
you know somebody's either working for

792
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:51,760
an intelligence or military contractors

793
00:27:56,310 --> 00:27:53,279
or working directly for the government

794
00:27:57,269 --> 00:27:56,320
and i had friends saying that uh and all

795
00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:57,279
of my neighbors

796
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:58,559
are talking about it so it's really

797
00:28:02,230 --> 00:28:00,240
funny because it's one of these things

798
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:02,240
you're talking about a community

799
00:28:07,269 --> 00:28:05,760
a very internal community so this is not

800
00:28:09,269 --> 00:28:07,279
where normally the public might hit

801
00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:09,279
facebook or twitter and start

802
00:28:13,029 --> 00:28:10,720
hey guess what i just saw it work they

803
00:28:14,389 --> 00:28:13,039
can't do that but the same level of kind

804
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:14,399
of viral

805
00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:17,520
um news sharing went out amongst the

806
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:18,640
intelligence community

807
00:28:22,870 --> 00:28:22,000
and still has frankly and so how do you

808
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:22,880
hear about

809
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:25,679
something like that well i mean it's not

810
00:28:28,710 --> 00:28:26,159
it's not

811
00:28:29,669 --> 00:28:28,720
top is it top secret i mean is it seek

812
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:29,679
is it supposed to

813
00:28:33,190 --> 00:28:32,640
not be shared it's classified they're on

814
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:33,200
classification

815
00:28:36,549 --> 00:28:35,279
it's classified and well yeah they're

816
00:28:38,470 --> 00:28:36,559
unclassified systems

817
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:38,480
and uh everybody was pretty cautious

818
00:28:44,230 --> 00:28:40,559
nobody nobody shared anything with me

819
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:44,240
that was um inherently classified

820
00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:46,320
uh what happens is these systems

821
00:28:49,590 --> 00:28:47,840
themselves are classified

822
00:28:51,909 --> 00:28:49,600
and in fact intelligence reports if you

823
00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:51,919
ever see them they have a little

824
00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:55,600
marker in each of the um each paragraph

825
00:28:59,110 --> 00:28:56,960
where it'll say u

826
00:29:01,269 --> 00:28:59,120
s or ts which lets you know so you can

827
00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:01,279
have a you have a classified memo that

828
00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:03,120
has unclassified

829
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:05,279
paragraphs or top secret paragraphs that

830
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:06,320
type of thing

831
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:10,559
uh the y distribution of this it was not

832
00:29:15,909 --> 00:29:13,760
it was not top secret yeah so uh

833
00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:15,919
you know i found out about it ironically

834
00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:19,120
enough because um

835
00:29:27,750 --> 00:29:25,909
i kind of grew up you know my uncle

836
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:27,760
worked for the joint chiefs of staff

837
00:29:31,110 --> 00:29:30,720
and uh yeah have a lot of family members

838
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:31,120
who are

839
00:29:34,549 --> 00:29:33,520
in kind of the intel or military

840
00:29:36,070 --> 00:29:34,559
community

841
00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:36,080
so i kind of grew up in that world to be

842
00:29:38,549 --> 00:29:38,080
honest with you and still had you know

843
00:29:41,669 --> 00:29:38,559
through

844
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:41,679
just law enforcement and we doing uh we

845
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:42,880
did a lot i did a lot with the federal

846
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:43,760
government and everything so i have a

847
00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:44,640
lot of friends

848
00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:47,360
out there let me put it that way and um

849
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:48,880
when this stuff first started coming out

850
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:51,200
people called me

851
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:52,720
because they know they knew i had

852
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:54,720
reported in popular mechanics and vice

853
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:56,960
on this subject for the past year or so

854
00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:59,120
and it was very interesting because uh

855
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:01,039
especially with the first memo

856
00:30:06,070 --> 00:30:03,840
it explicitly said it gave the prosaic

857
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:06,080
list of things that potentially uap

858
00:30:09,909 --> 00:30:06,960
could examine

859
00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:09,919
or could represent uh you know

860
00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:11,360
everything that you can think of that we

861
00:30:15,029 --> 00:30:12,000
all

862
00:30:17,070 --> 00:30:15,039
would but it also explicitly said that

863
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:17,080
the idea that these are

864
00:30:20,549 --> 00:30:19,760
extraterrestrial or non-human is being

865
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:20,559
explored

866
00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:22,559
and that really freaked some people out

867
00:30:26,789 --> 00:30:24,320
wow absolutely

868
00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:26,799
yeah and so i got calls from people

869
00:30:29,430 --> 00:30:27,760
asking me

870
00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:29,440
so paul's from people i've known for a

871
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:30,880
long time that work in these

872
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:31,919
communities where they're not supposed

873
00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:34,240
to talk asking me hey

874
00:30:45,590 --> 00:30:42,389
and um yeah no no

875
00:30:49,029 --> 00:30:45,600
that's a 100 truth too and i said well

876
00:30:51,190 --> 00:30:49,039
it's news to me and so um there were

877
00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:51,200
definitely a lot of people that talked

878
00:30:55,510 --> 00:30:52,080
uh

879
00:30:58,110 --> 00:30:55,520
outside of church you might say however

880
00:30:59,669 --> 00:30:58,120
um i think everybody did so really

881
00:31:02,710 --> 00:30:59,679
responsibly

882
00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:02,720
but it was truly um

883
00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:04,320
based on the same kind of fascination i

884
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:05,600
think captivates so many people to

885
00:31:09,269 --> 00:31:06,960
follow the ufo subject

886
00:31:11,350 --> 00:31:09,279
at all period is that you have a lot of

887
00:31:13,590 --> 00:31:11,360
people and that's the thing is that

888
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:13,600
um there's some misnomers about the

889
00:31:16,549 --> 00:31:14,880
intelligence community

890
00:31:18,310 --> 00:31:16,559
you think it's james bond or you think

891
00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:18,320
it's jason bourne

892
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:27,430
for the most part and uh and so these

893
00:31:30,070 --> 00:31:28,880
were people that this is you know

894
00:31:31,990 --> 00:31:30,080
a lot of them maybe had never even

895
00:31:33,990 --> 00:31:32,000
considered the subject besides

896
00:31:35,350 --> 00:31:34,000
just sci-fi and just interesting you

897
00:31:38,310 --> 00:31:35,360
know the

898
00:31:40,149 --> 00:31:38,320
movie um but when this stuff comes

899
00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:40,159
across in their professional

900
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:42,480
life i mean it's kind of like you as a

901
00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:44,640
uh as an antiques appraiser

902
00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:46,960
uh martin if somebody handed you you

903
00:31:50,549 --> 00:31:48,640
know hey i've got this piece of the

904
00:31:51,990 --> 00:31:50,559
roswell wreckage can you assess it and

905
00:31:55,350 --> 00:31:52,000
you're like

906
00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:55,360
oh what this is real like you know like

907
00:31:57,269 --> 00:31:56,320
this realization

908
00:31:59,350 --> 00:31:57,279
something that you wouldn't have

909
00:32:00,070 --> 00:31:59,360
expected in in that facet of your life

910
00:32:03,509 --> 00:32:00,080
and so

911
00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:03,519
a lot of people were compelled by it um

912
00:32:08,870 --> 00:32:07,679
and then and i it just leaned a lot on

913
00:32:12,149 --> 00:32:08,880
my

914
00:32:12,789 --> 00:32:12,159
career in law enforcement investigations

915
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:12,799
and just

916
00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:15,440
relationships that i'd had through both

917
00:32:18,789 --> 00:32:17,360
professional and personal connections

918
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:18,799
over the years long before i

919
00:32:22,470 --> 00:32:21,279
started interviewing or discussing

920
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:22,480
anything with ufos to

921
00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:25,120
just that's been my focus the past two

922
00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:26,080
years is digging in

923
00:32:29,430 --> 00:32:28,000
like what is the government know or

924
00:32:31,269 --> 00:32:29,440
what's going on right now

925
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:31,279
and so i've been very fortunate to kind

926
00:32:37,269 --> 00:32:33,760
of gain some some good relationships

927
00:32:38,789 --> 00:32:37,279
um inside those

928
00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:38,799
those areas that are examining them

929
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:41,279
right now so that's really awesome

930
00:32:44,310 --> 00:32:43,919
that's a that's a great contact uh by

931
00:32:46,870 --> 00:32:44,320
the way

932
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:46,880
i did get uh i was in a house in

933
00:32:50,549 --> 00:32:48,320
massachusetts that had

934
00:32:51,509 --> 00:32:50,559
a piece of the plane that orville and

935
00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:51,519
wilbur

936
00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:54,640
wright flew called the wright flyer the

937
00:32:59,509 --> 00:32:56,399
first original plane that actually

938
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:59,519
flew it was a piece and encased in

939
00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:00,799
plastic in their living room and they

940
00:33:05,029 --> 00:33:03,760
said can you appraise that

941
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:05,039
so i had to try to figure out what the

942
00:33:12,549 --> 00:33:10,950
that's a tough one um so i told the

943
00:33:15,669 --> 00:33:12,559
people in chat that they could

944
00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:15,679
post questions in caps so please do

945
00:33:18,950 --> 00:33:17,200
and we have a number of them that came

946
00:33:21,269 --> 00:33:18,960
in so this one first

947
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:21,279
do you think the real photo of this will

948
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:22,080
get released

949
00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:24,000
i think that's the question i had too

950
00:33:27,430 --> 00:33:25,760
sure yeah yeah i think it's a question

951
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:27,440
on everybody's mind and anybody to ask

952
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:28,080
me and

953
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:29,600
that's the tough spot that i'm in is

954
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:31,200
that just like he said

955
00:33:37,509 --> 00:33:33,760
uh everything i reported on there you

956
00:33:39,509 --> 00:33:37,519
know i'm 100 confident everything we did

957
00:33:41,190 --> 00:33:39,519
i don't want to get into the incredible

958
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:41,200
amount of detail that we did to validate

959
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:42,720
sources and just make sure that we were

960
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:44,399
sharing accurate information however

961
00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:46,080
none of it was official you know this

962
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:47,519
was not an official release by the

963
00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:48,720
department of defense this is

964
00:33:52,630 --> 00:33:51,440
uh this is this is watergate this was

965
00:33:55,029 --> 00:33:52,640
you know us going out

966
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:55,039
like uh woodward and bernstein tracking

967
00:34:00,630 --> 00:33:56,240
people down

968
00:34:02,549 --> 00:34:00,640
um and so unfortunately i don't you know

969
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:02,559
the only photo that we had that we could

970
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:05,120
have released we did so immediately as

971
00:34:08,069 --> 00:34:06,640
soon as we can release it and so

972
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:08,079
there isn't any photo that we have that

973
00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:09,760
we can release um

974
00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:13,040
i certainly hope that um

975
00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:15,280
it will get released i certainly hope

976
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:16,720
that you know i'd be lying if i didn't

977
00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:18,480
say part of my goal and when i reported

978
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:19,359
on it

979
00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:22,399
um was to try to force that issue

980
00:34:25,589 --> 00:34:24,320
a little bit you know once it gets out

981
00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:25,599
there um

982
00:34:29,190 --> 00:34:28,240
more people can put pressure on it and

983
00:34:31,270 --> 00:34:29,200
uh yeah

984
00:34:32,790 --> 00:34:31,280
and they may they may do that and let me

985
00:34:36,310 --> 00:34:32,800
ask you this what

986
00:34:37,030 --> 00:34:36,320
if you had to speculate why um this

987
00:34:40,470 --> 00:34:37,040
would

988
00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:40,480
uh remain classified and not released

989
00:34:43,589 --> 00:34:42,240
if that's what it is if this photo is

990
00:34:45,109 --> 00:34:43,599
actually classified

991
00:34:47,270 --> 00:34:45,119
um do you think that's for security

992
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:47,280
purposes why that i mean

993
00:34:51,990 --> 00:34:50,480
do you think that's why the case but not

994
00:34:53,589 --> 00:34:52,000
yes but not for the reasons that i think

995
00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:53,599
a lot of people realize and

996
00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:56,000
uh it's simply because if you're talking

997
00:34:59,910 --> 00:34:57,200
about i think there's a

998
00:35:00,790 --> 00:34:59,920
you know just a wealth of literature um

999
00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:00,800
that's already

1000
00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:03,040
in existence or eyewitness testimony you

1001
00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:04,720
name it where you have

1002
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:07,920
um people that have seen these objects

1003
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:11,280
uh ufos that are able to enter different

1004
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:14,000
airspaces including some that are just

1005
00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:16,320
uber restricted like our nuclear weapons

1006
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:17,440
facilities

1007
00:35:22,470 --> 00:35:21,119
um with impunity i mean nobody

1008
00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:22,480
can stop them nobody can do anything

1009
00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:24,160
with it we don't even have

1010
00:35:27,990 --> 00:35:26,640
op sex to respond to this type of stuff

1011
00:35:29,510 --> 00:35:28,000
and so what you're talking about there's

1012
00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:29,520
you're talking about an unmitigated

1013
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:31,520
vulnerability to national defense

1014
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:34,880
and um it's it's a situation where

1015
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:37,920
in the national defense world you have

1016
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:39,680
no actionable intelligence is what it

1017
00:35:43,910 --> 00:35:41,520
means you don't know how to stop it

1018
00:35:45,750 --> 00:35:43,920
and therefore anything that is an

1019
00:35:46,069 --> 00:35:45,760
unmitigated risk to national security

1020
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:46,079
you

1021
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:49,200
don't talk about it period because

1022
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:52,560
it uh not just because you know not that

1023
00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:54,800
that means that ufos could attack us

1024
00:35:58,150 --> 00:35:56,640
but rather you don't talk about your own

1025
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:58,160
vulnerabilities because they could be

1026
00:36:02,710 --> 00:35:59,760
exploited by

1027
00:36:03,910 --> 00:36:02,720
you know terrestrial adversaries and so

1028
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:03,920
i think that that's

1029
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:06,880
one of the reasons that you see a lot of

1030
00:36:09,030 --> 00:36:07,760
the secrecy

1031
00:36:11,349 --> 00:36:09,040
to some degree especially when you talk

1032
00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:11,359
about stuff like this

1033
00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:12,880
because it was my understanding and

1034
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:14,560
that's the thing is that no one shared

1035
00:36:16,150 --> 00:36:15,040
any

1036
00:36:18,150 --> 00:36:16,160
everything that was shared with me

1037
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:18,160
whether it was by photo itself

1038
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:21,599
or um in description was

1039
00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:23,760
uh materials in fact that that photo

1040
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:25,040
there

1041
00:36:29,750 --> 00:36:26,880
is what's called a you know for official

1042
00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:29,760
use only so it's not even classified but

1043
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:32,480
you can't classify something

1044
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:35,520
it wasn't taken with a government system

1045
00:36:41,430 --> 00:36:38,880
so you can't protect sources or methods

1046
00:36:42,150 --> 00:36:41,440
but i think right now and i was able to

1047
00:36:44,710 --> 00:36:42,160
find out the

1048
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:44,720
the uap task force has been given uh

1049
00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:45,839
what's called oca

1050
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:48,560
original classic original classification

1051
00:36:51,750 --> 00:36:49,920
authority which means now they can

1052
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:51,760
classify anything they want to

1053
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:54,240
whether the people who filmed it or took

1054
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:55,839
it classified it was irrelevant

1055
00:36:59,510 --> 00:36:57,119
they have the authority to classify it

1056
00:37:00,870 --> 00:36:59,520
themselves and um

1057
00:37:03,430 --> 00:37:00,880
so i think there's a lot of times that

1058
00:37:06,630 --> 00:37:03,440
they're kind of

1059
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:06,640
making you know liberal use

1060
00:37:09,910 --> 00:37:09,119
of uh some of the requirements that are

1061
00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:09,920
in a set

1062
00:37:13,030 --> 00:37:11,359
that you have to have to classify

1063
00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:13,040
anything you can't just willy-nilly

1064
00:37:17,829 --> 00:37:16,000
classify whatever you want but uh there

1065
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:17,839
is a kind of a there is a standard

1066
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:20,640
under the executive order 13 256 that

1067
00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:21,520
says

1068
00:37:25,510 --> 00:37:23,440
uh you can classify intelligence

1069
00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:25,520
activities or foreign

1070
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:30,320
uh hardware and so even if it's

1071
00:37:34,230 --> 00:37:32,880
we're going to define foreign as not

1072
00:37:36,230 --> 00:37:34,240
ours

1073
00:37:37,829 --> 00:37:36,240
so to be a broad definition you could

1074
00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:37,839
classify it um

1075
00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:40,560
but i think i share this sentiment that

1076
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:40,880
uh

1077
00:37:44,069 --> 00:37:42,400
probably the the person who has that

1078
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:44,079
question has probably you have and a lot

1079
00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:44,960
of people which

1080
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:49,119
is there needs to be a middle ground

1081
00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:51,280
here like where can we reach a middle

1082
00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:52,320
ground where i don't

1083
00:37:55,750 --> 00:37:54,240
i respect the fact that you can't share

1084
00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:55,760
certain things because they

1085
00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:58,560
pose national security risk uh your

1086
00:38:02,470 --> 00:37:59,119
enemies

1087
00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:02,480
exploit them you don't want to give away

1088
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:03,760
different capabilities that you have

1089
00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:05,359
that kind of thing i get that but i

1090
00:38:08,550 --> 00:38:06,560
think that the

1091
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:08,560
uh that's always been why i've kind of

1092
00:38:12,069 --> 00:38:09,839
pushed on this area

1093
00:38:13,990 --> 00:38:12,079
uh is i think there has to be a middle

1094
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:14,000
ground for me it's not always it's

1095
00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:16,160
really not it's been about ufos as much

1096
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:17,280
as i think that

1097
00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:20,160
uh i do believe the american public has

1098
00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:21,920
a right to be informed

1099
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:24,720
about the activities of government and

1100
00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:26,400
we know now because it's been announced

1101
00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:28,320
that there's a formal task force there

1102
00:38:32,710 --> 00:38:30,240
and so

1103
00:38:34,470 --> 00:38:32,720
you know in in a democracy government

1104
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:34,480
functions by the informed consent of the

1105
00:38:38,230 --> 00:38:35,200
public and

1106
00:38:39,270 --> 00:38:38,240
the public can't make any kind of real

1107
00:38:40,470 --> 00:38:39,280
informed consent when they're not

1108
00:38:42,950 --> 00:38:40,480
informed in this issue

1109
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:42,960
and so i think good or bad you know it

1110
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:44,880
requires that and so

1111
00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:47,440
it's always been i have joked with both

1112
00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:50,320
pentagon spokespersons both people

1113
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:52,480
who spoke to me on background people

1114
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:53,760
that uh

1115
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:55,680
in this and saying you know this is a

1116
00:39:00,150 --> 00:38:57,440
it's a very weird

1117
00:39:01,589 --> 00:39:00,160
uh system that is how kind of democracy

1118
00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:01,599
works where

1119
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:03,599
i'm operating under the first amendment

1120
00:39:07,750 --> 00:39:05,520
to try to get info

1121
00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:07,760
you're trying to keep info secret but

1122
00:39:10,150 --> 00:39:09,280
yet we're both trying to uphold the

1123
00:39:12,390 --> 00:39:10,160
constitution

1124
00:39:13,589 --> 00:39:12,400
like we're both part of what makes it

1125
00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:13,599
all work

1126
00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:16,160
um and so i think i mean i i definitely

1127
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:16,640
hope

1128
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:19,200
that uh you know i have expressed that

1129
00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:20,240
to people

1130
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:23,040
uh you know it as high as one could

1131
00:39:25,589 --> 00:39:24,000
imagine

1132
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:25,599
well not as high as the president how

1133
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:28,320
about that but but in below that uh i've

1134
00:39:32,470 --> 00:39:30,000
expressed that to people i thought

1135
00:39:33,910 --> 00:39:32,480
yeah i thought the president's was is

1136
00:39:36,390 --> 00:39:33,920
high too

1137
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:36,400
right yes he's high in something he's

1138
00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:37,599
having something oh i'm gonna get i'm

1139
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:39,280
gonna get email for that

1140
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:41,280
yeah you're gonna get me now stay away

1141
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:43,280
from politics but i understand exactly

1142
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:45,119
where you're coming from there sir

1143
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:48,960
uh but i've told people that i think

1144
00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:52,800
that you you know i think that if you

1145
00:39:56,230 --> 00:39:55,040
i've had great conversations with tons

1146
00:39:59,349 --> 00:39:56,240
of people who aren't

1147
00:40:02,550 --> 00:39:59,359
in the ufo community so professionals

1148
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:02,560
um from all walks of life some of them

1149
00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:03,119
harvard

1150
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:05,920
john hopkins professors one of them who

1151
00:40:09,990 --> 00:40:07,920
is a very distinguished individual

1152
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:10,000
who's an epidemiologist has been called

1153
00:40:13,829 --> 00:40:11,839
on to quite frequently because of covid

1154
00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:13,839
that people wouldn't be surprised about

1155
00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:15,200
about this subject and so i think

1156
00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:17,520
there's interest in it it's not silly or

1157
00:40:22,390 --> 00:40:20,000
taboo that people want to hear

1158
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:22,400
and i think that there's a good middle

1159
00:40:27,109 --> 00:40:24,000
ground there i think the idea of

1160
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:27,119
examining it in an official level is

1161
00:40:31,270 --> 00:40:29,760
significant um but you've got to get

1162
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:31,280
this middle ground where we know what's

1163
00:40:35,670 --> 00:40:32,160
going on

1164
00:40:38,710 --> 00:40:35,680
you know best example i give is you i

1165
00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:38,720
i don't need to know how china tried to

1166
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:39,520
hack into

1167
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:41,440
a computer i don't need to know how you

1168
00:40:45,349 --> 00:40:43,520
caught them okay these may be all things

1169
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:45,359
that you need to protect so you can

1170
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:46,720
catch somebody again

1171
00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:48,880
but i do know enough that that is a

1172
00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:50,000
potential threat so

1173
00:40:53,589 --> 00:40:52,160
when the government says hey we need to

1174
00:40:54,309 --> 00:40:53,599
invest x amount of money in cyber

1175
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:54,319
security

1176
00:40:58,150 --> 00:40:56,400
as an informed citizen i can go no

1177
00:40:59,910 --> 00:40:58,160
that's a great idea that's a good plan

1178
00:41:02,309 --> 00:40:59,920
because i trust this and this and with

1179
00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:02,319
this topic i think

1180
00:41:07,349 --> 00:41:04,160
it's very unfortunate because i think

1181
00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:07,359
that if there was a little more

1182
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:09,760
transparency and kind of just openness

1183
00:41:14,710 --> 00:41:11,680
there i think you would see more people

1184
00:41:16,550 --> 00:41:14,720
say hey okay you know i i'm

1185
00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:16,560
i think we need to examine it you know

1186
00:41:21,510 --> 00:41:18,960
and there would be less ridicule

1187
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:21,520
yeah yeah all great stuff really

1188
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:22,319
interesting

1189
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:26,560
um so here's another question here um

1190
00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:28,240
this uh lee thought that pilots could

1191
00:41:32,790 --> 00:41:29,920
not carry mobile phones mil

1192
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:32,800
uh on military maneuvers is this not the

1193
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:33,599
case

1194
00:41:36,870 --> 00:41:36,480
and thanks then keep up the good work

1195
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:36,880
yeah

1196
00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:39,040
well thank you thank you lee yes no i

1197
00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:40,160
i'll be honest with you

1198
00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:42,400
i can't speak with authority on that and

1199
00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:44,000
i haven't really investigated what's the

1200
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:45,760
policy on that

1201
00:41:49,750 --> 00:41:49,119
uh other than i will say you know i came

1202
00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:49,760
from a very

1203
00:41:54,309 --> 00:41:52,640
a a very a professional very rigid and

1204
00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:54,319
there's policies for everything and just

1205
00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:56,160
like the dod so you have policies for

1206
00:41:59,109 --> 00:41:57,280
policies

1207
00:42:00,710 --> 00:41:59,119
um and one of the things they teach you

1208
00:42:01,829 --> 00:42:00,720
in command college when you i mean

1209
00:42:03,670 --> 00:42:01,839
because i was a lieutenant before i

1210
00:42:06,069 --> 00:42:03,680
retired so you go to command college and

1211
00:42:07,589 --> 00:42:06,079
it's funny because there's all these uh

1212
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:07,599
there's all these rules and policies and

1213
00:42:12,390 --> 00:42:09,839
the first thing they teach you is that

1214
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:12,400
there's always an informal policy that

1215
00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:14,880
supersedes your policy which means

1216
00:42:19,030 --> 00:42:17,680
how things really operate and how they

1217
00:42:21,910 --> 00:42:19,040
have to function

1218
00:42:23,109 --> 00:42:21,920
correctly because if you were so rigid

1219
00:42:24,550 --> 00:42:23,119
in that

1220
00:42:26,550 --> 00:42:24,560
and they teach you as a commander don't

1221
00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:26,560
you know if there's a no cell phone in

1222
00:42:29,829 --> 00:42:27,680
the cockpit rule

1223
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:29,839
but listen guys stick it in their pocket

1224
00:42:33,030 --> 00:42:31,359
or whatever like are you gonna pat down

1225
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:33,040
your pilots every flight is that what's

1226
00:42:36,630 --> 00:42:34,400
really important

1227
00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:36,640
and so i don't have the actual answer

1228
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:38,240
other than it doesn't shock me that you

1229
00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:40,000
would have pilots that bring cell phones

1230
00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:41,200
or different things

1231
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:43,920
uh there's plenty of instances where you

1232
00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:45,599
can go to instagram or youtube where you

1233
00:42:49,829 --> 00:42:46,480
see pilots that

1234
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:49,839
bring uh um gopro cameras

1235
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:52,880
and um you know that

1236
00:42:56,069 --> 00:42:54,160
i don't to me there's what is the

1237
00:42:58,470 --> 00:42:56,079
distinction between a gopro and

1238
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:58,480
a uh a cell phone unless we're all

1239
00:43:00,630 --> 00:42:59,440
thinking

1240
00:43:01,910 --> 00:43:00,640
wait a minute you know when i fly

1241
00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:01,920
commercially they always tell me turn

1242
00:43:05,190 --> 00:43:03,760
off my phone or you know

1243
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:05,200
i'm gonna crash this multi-million

1244
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:07,200
dollar commercial jet if my phone's not

1245
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:07,680
on

1246
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:10,880
airplane mode um the

1247
00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:18,950
it all had to do with money and whatever

1248
00:43:23,430 --> 00:43:20,240
making money on

1249
00:43:24,550 --> 00:43:23,440
on the cell phone services right yes and

1250
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:24,560
so and so i

1251
00:43:27,990 --> 00:43:26,000
the answer that you know is a long way

1252
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:28,000
of saying i don't know the ideal policy

1253
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:29,760
but the idea that pilots bring their

1254
00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:31,760
cell phones or gopros or anything of

1255
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:33,520
that like in cockpits

1256
00:43:37,510 --> 00:43:35,680
it absolutely does happen it doesn't

1257
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:37,520
surprise me or shocked me

1258
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:40,880
and um i certainly could see that yeah

1259
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:43,839
um has tim had have you had an eye on

1260
00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:45,920
either of these two report memos

1261
00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:47,680
floating around do you know what this

1262
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:49,680
particular question means

1263
00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:52,079
yes i mean so i guess you're asking me

1264
00:43:55,829 --> 00:43:52,720
did i

1265
00:43:59,750 --> 00:43:55,839
actually physically see any of the

1266
00:44:03,349 --> 00:43:59,760
intelligence assessment reports um

1267
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:03,359
the other thing i'll say is that um

1268
00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:05,520
everything we reported on is 100

1269
00:44:09,430 --> 00:44:06,720
accurate

1270
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:09,440
uh i have no concerns qualms about that

1271
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:10,720
you know that eventually whether it's

1272
00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:11,920
through freedom of information

1273
00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:14,240
quest you know if even if it's

1274
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:16,000
classified it takes 25 years for

1275
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:17,280
classification review

1276
00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:19,920
no doubts that that will come out um

1277
00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:22,160
beyond what we reported on there and in

1278
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:22,960
terms of like

1279
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:24,480
what did you see or what do you have and

1280
00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:26,560
all of that

1281
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:29,839
because just like we said

1282
00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:31,200
we are talking about stuff that could

1283
00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:33,040
get people's careers in trouble

1284
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:36,079
and uh it was frankly a crime

1285
00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:38,400
um you know reality winner a couple

1286
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:39,920
years ago when she leaked

1287
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:42,800
uh the actual memos and the intercept

1288
00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:43,920
printed those memos

1289
00:44:47,829 --> 00:44:46,160
you know with an hour of her uh then

1290
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:47,839
printing those memos reality winner was

1291
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:48,480
arrested

1292
00:44:53,349 --> 00:44:51,280
and uh i just saw friday she lost her

1293
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:53,359
appeal and she's got six years in prison

1294
00:45:00,230 --> 00:44:56,640
five years in prison and so um

1295
00:45:01,430 --> 00:45:00,240
i know i have to also be very cautious

1296
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:01,440
because whenever

1297
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:03,520
people don't realize this but but you

1298
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:05,599
know in a journalistic capacity

1299
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:08,079
uh when you agree to deal with sources

1300
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:10,079
under condition of anonymity

1301
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:12,319
um first thing you have to do is say

1302
00:45:15,270 --> 00:45:13,200
well why

1303
00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:15,280
we have to have a valid reason and in

1304
00:45:17,990 --> 00:45:17,280
the all of these instances we understood

1305
00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:18,000
the valid reason

1306
00:45:21,750 --> 00:45:20,480
of why but then once we agree with that

1307
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:21,760
we are legally bound

1308
00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:23,119
you know there's a supreme court case

1309
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:24,800
ruling that says we can't

1310
00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:27,440
uh you know we have to protect the

1311
00:45:30,309 --> 00:45:28,960
identity of those sources and if those

1312
00:45:32,550 --> 00:45:30,319
identities sources

1313
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:32,560
got out we would be held liable and so

1314
00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:34,560
it's it's really tricky

1315
00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:37,760
issue there um and and i

1316
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:39,760
just so everybody knows i absolutely

1317
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:40,880
detest being

1318
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:43,680
cagey or evasive on anything i try to be

1319
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:45,040
as

1320
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:47,359
open and forth right on anything and

1321
00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:49,119
everything as i possibly can

1322
00:45:53,349 --> 00:45:51,760
um but with that one i'll just say that

1323
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:53,359
i'm confident in everything that we

1324
00:45:57,990 --> 00:45:56,160
reported on

1325
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:58,000
um you know it's funny when you

1326
00:46:02,069 --> 00:46:00,480
mentioned at the top of the show

1327
00:46:03,990 --> 00:46:02,079
that uh one of the things that bothered

1328
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:04,000
you were the titles that uh the

1329
00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:05,040
headlines

1330
00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:07,200
that uh you'd write a great story in the

1331
00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:09,200
headline would be bizarre leslie

1332
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:12,560
leslie kane uh i talked to her right

1333
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:13,440
after the

1334
00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:17,200
the december 16 2017 article came out in

1335
00:46:20,390 --> 00:46:18,640
the new york times

1336
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:20,400
and i said what's up with the title and

1337
00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:21,680
she says oh my god

1338
00:46:24,550 --> 00:46:22,800
she said that's the one thing they

1339
00:46:25,030 --> 00:46:24,560
picked their own titles it didn't you

1340
00:46:26,069 --> 00:46:25,040
know

1341
00:46:27,670 --> 00:46:26,079
i think it was blessed something like

1342
00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:27,680
black auroras or i can't remember

1343
00:46:32,470 --> 00:46:29,040
exactly what it was

1344
00:46:33,990 --> 00:46:32,480
but but she said that and she said also

1345
00:46:35,109 --> 00:46:34,000
on another article she said it really

1346
00:46:38,950 --> 00:46:35,119
frustrated her so

1347
00:46:40,829 --> 00:46:38,960
you're not alone in that uh no

1348
00:46:43,990 --> 00:46:40,839
i know leslie and ralph i've spoken to

1349
00:46:45,990 --> 00:46:44,000
them several times recently

1350
00:46:47,829 --> 00:46:46,000
actually interviewed ralph i'm trying to

1351
00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:47,839
get him back on again he's he's a great

1352
00:46:50,790 --> 00:46:48,720
guy

1353
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:50,800
no no no both of them are and they so

1354
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:52,640
they feel the pain i mean that's just

1355
00:46:55,589 --> 00:46:53,920
the nature of the beast when you work

1356
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:55,599
for an outlet or another publication is

1357
00:46:59,190 --> 00:46:57,119
the editors choose to has i used to get

1358
00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:59,200
that all the time

1359
00:47:02,069 --> 00:47:00,640
you know i remember actually going back

1360
00:47:03,030 --> 00:47:02,079
to the stanton friedman article that i

1361
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:03,040
did the in the

1362
00:47:07,109 --> 00:47:06,000
the the editor chose the headline it was

1363
00:47:10,150 --> 00:47:07,119
you know something like

1364
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:10,160
uh you know there in the process of

1365
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:12,400
archiving that the largest ufo

1366
00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:14,880
archive ever you know that was the thing

1367
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:16,480
and so i got people like

1368
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:18,240
who says it's the largest you know

1369
00:47:21,270 --> 00:47:19,599
people were mad because they felt like

1370
00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:21,280
they had a larger one and i'm like

1371
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:23,359
you should have had the words saucer in

1372
00:47:27,270 --> 00:47:25,280
it because sam loved to use that

1373
00:47:28,549 --> 00:47:27,280
right you know i was like i didn't you

1374
00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:28,559
don't choose the headlines

1375
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:31,760
and and unfortunately and

1376
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:33,359
and i've kind of had to learn this now

1377
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:35,440
as we run a media

1378
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:38,880
organization is that um it's regretful

1379
00:47:42,069 --> 00:47:40,480
that at times that you do have to try to

1380
00:47:44,870 --> 00:47:42,079
get a headline that

1381
00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:44,880
captures somebody's attention you know

1382
00:47:49,270 --> 00:47:46,240
but we try to avoid click

1383
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:49,280
bait by any means we try to take the

1384
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:52,800
topic but make it interesting um yeah

1385
00:47:56,630 --> 00:47:54,480
next question that comes up here is

1386
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:56,640
there anything else from fravor's

1387
00:48:03,190 --> 00:47:59,680
wing uh woman actually ring roman yes

1388
00:48:03,589 --> 00:48:03,200
um anything else in terms of that i

1389
00:48:07,750 --> 00:48:03,599
found

1390
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:07,760
interesting is that uh yeah

1391
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:09,440
they're like i mean do we know

1392
00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:11,040
everything that's

1393
00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:14,000
out there basically oh oh yeah yeah i i

1394
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:15,520
feel like the gist of it is

1395
00:48:22,950 --> 00:48:18,800
and um and i have actually i've you know

1396
00:48:24,549 --> 00:48:22,960
whether it's in popular mechanics or um

1397
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:24,559
other outlets that i've reported i think

1398
00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:26,000
somewhere i've pieced together

1399
00:48:28,309 --> 00:48:27,280
different pieces of the interviews that

1400
00:48:29,510 --> 00:48:28,319
i've had with her that i shared

1401
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:29,520
everything that was important that i

1402
00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:30,880
think hadn't been reported

1403
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:33,599
before including that kind of bouncing

1404
00:48:37,589 --> 00:48:34,319
around

1405
00:48:41,109 --> 00:48:37,599
like a um like a ping-pong ball

1406
00:48:42,309 --> 00:48:41,119
um and in fact for me you know

1407
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:42,319
if you don't mind me getting really

1408
00:48:47,349 --> 00:48:44,880
nerdy for you uh martin

1409
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:47,359
um but in cognitive psychology to me

1410
00:48:49,589 --> 00:48:48,960
that's something that's very fascinating

1411
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:49,599
because

1412
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:52,640
um in order to actually i mean this goes

1413
00:48:55,030 --> 00:48:53,280
into like

1414
00:48:57,270 --> 00:48:55,040
when people go oh it's secret technology

1415
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:57,280
and i'm going yeah but there's just

1416
00:49:01,270 --> 00:48:59,040
lists i can give you down i'm not saying

1417
00:49:02,950 --> 00:49:01,280
it's not but we have to overcome and one

1418
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:02,960
of those would be

1419
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:05,760
uh the flash flicker rate and people

1420
00:49:07,829 --> 00:49:06,880
don't ever think about this but our

1421
00:49:09,510 --> 00:49:07,839
brains

1422
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:09,520
you know we perceive our environment by

1423
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:11,760
a flash flicker rate of about 60 flashes

1424
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:12,720
per second

1425
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:14,640
that's how we judge time that's how

1426
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:16,800
reality is for us

1427
00:49:21,030 --> 00:49:19,200
a house fly has a much much much much

1428
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:21,040
higher flash flicker rate

1429
00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:22,960
and so people the house 5 flies all

1430
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:24,400
around and darts all around because it's

1431
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:25,200
nuts

1432
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:28,160
actually the house fly literally you is

1433
00:49:31,109 --> 00:49:30,720
working in a perennial kind of matrix

1434
00:49:33,030 --> 00:49:31,119
world

1435
00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:33,040
where everything's going we move much

1436
00:49:37,990 --> 00:49:34,960
slower to the house fly because he has a

1437
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:38,000
higher flash flicker rate

1438
00:49:43,510 --> 00:49:41,040
or something yeah yeah and so these

1439
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:43,520
objects bouncing around for me i'm going

1440
00:49:46,950 --> 00:49:45,760
well that means that something that uh

1441
00:49:49,510 --> 00:49:46,960
either artificially

1442
00:49:51,910 --> 00:49:49,520
or biologically is able to process

1443
00:49:52,549 --> 00:49:51,920
visually processed information at a much

1444
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:52,559
much much

1445
00:49:56,549 --> 00:49:54,000
exponentially higher rate than human

1446
00:49:58,470 --> 00:49:56,559
beings and that's incredible um

1447
00:49:59,990 --> 00:49:58,480
and so that you know that key point

1448
00:50:02,549 --> 00:50:00,000
there is something i always point out

1449
00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:02,559
but um you know in terms of her and

1450
00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:03,920
other things that you know

1451
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:05,200
and i reported on this in popular

1452
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:07,119
mechanics i thought it was fascinating

1453
00:50:10,390 --> 00:50:08,640
because i hadn't heard it before i spoke

1454
00:50:14,470 --> 00:50:10,400
with her is that she

1455
00:50:16,710 --> 00:50:14,480
you know was invited uh back up to

1456
00:50:18,150 --> 00:50:16,720
the pentagon at various times to speak

1457
00:50:19,670 --> 00:50:18,160
with different people

1458
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:19,680
and was shown stuff and said is this

1459
00:50:23,109 --> 00:50:21,200
what you saw is this what you saw is

1460
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:23,119
this what you saw

1461
00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:24,240
in an effort to kind of go down the

1462
00:50:28,069 --> 00:50:26,160
laundry list of different

1463
00:50:29,589 --> 00:50:28,079
you know classified systems that maybe

1464
00:50:32,230 --> 00:50:29,599
they um

1465
00:50:33,910 --> 00:50:32,240
had that aren't publicly known at least

1466
00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:33,920
during those times maybe

1467
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:37,040
and she said every time i was like no um

1468
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:39,200
you know she expressed to me kind of the

1469
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:40,400
frustration

1470
00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:43,200
uh she did testify in front of congress

1471
00:50:48,870 --> 00:50:43,520
and

1472
00:50:50,309 --> 00:50:48,880
getting her in trouble i don't think so

1473
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:50,319
she didn't say this was off the record

1474
00:50:53,109 --> 00:50:50,640
but

1475
00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:53,119
uh you know she expressed frustration of

1476
00:50:57,030 --> 00:50:55,040
during some of those testimonies because

1477
00:50:58,710 --> 00:50:57,040
the congressional leadership looked at

1478
00:51:00,950 --> 00:50:58,720
her and was like

1479
00:51:02,549 --> 00:51:00,960
what did you see and i thought she put

1480
00:51:04,390 --> 00:51:02,559
it very

1481
00:51:07,109 --> 00:51:04,400
poetically true and she said that's not

1482
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:07,119
my job you know i have

1483
00:51:13,829 --> 00:51:10,640
reported on what occurred 100

1484
00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:13,839
it was not in my recce or a recognition

1485
00:51:18,870 --> 00:51:16,640
book uh so it is not an aircraft both

1486
00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:18,880
foreign or domestic that we recognize

1487
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:21,040
i have said everything i had to say in

1488
00:51:25,910 --> 00:51:22,400
terms of what it was

1489
00:51:27,109 --> 00:51:25,920
i don't know like that's somebody else's

1490
00:51:30,870 --> 00:51:27,119
job

1491
00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:30,880
and um but i think that

1492
00:51:34,230 --> 00:51:33,040
is interesting to see it that high of a

1493
00:51:36,790 --> 00:51:34,240
level the same thing that i think a lot

1494
00:51:38,069 --> 00:51:36,800
of ufo witnesses everywhere civilian

1495
00:51:39,190 --> 00:51:38,079
wives go through the same thing where

1496
00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:39,200
people are like yeah but

1497
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:41,200
it was probably a plane or maybe it was

1498
00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:42,960
a seagull or

1499
00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:46,000
you know a dangling peanut um i was

1500
00:51:49,910 --> 00:51:46,880
trying to fit it in

1501
00:51:52,470 --> 00:51:49,920
box you know

1502
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:52,480
and i think you know i had my personal

1503
00:51:56,710 --> 00:51:53,520
sighting

1504
00:51:58,150 --> 00:51:56,720
it was outside of my box and it was like

1505
00:52:00,549 --> 00:51:58,160
really caught my attention like

1506
00:52:01,510 --> 00:52:00,559
what the heck is this you know that that

1507
00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:01,520
that type of thing

1508
00:52:07,109 --> 00:52:04,880
and i think that's what happened and

1509
00:52:08,710 --> 00:52:07,119
yeah um so while we're at the slalom

1510
00:52:10,470 --> 00:52:08,720
we'll get back to the questions

1511
00:52:12,230 --> 00:52:10,480
um when we come back we're gonna just

1512
00:52:14,069 --> 00:52:12,240
take a two-minute break

1513
00:52:15,270 --> 00:52:14,079
um and by the way uh talking about

1514
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:15,280
getting nerdy

1515
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:17,760
each house flies eyes pair of eyes have

1516
00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:18,480
three to

1517
00:52:22,069 --> 00:52:20,800
six thousand uh simple eyes they're

1518
00:52:25,589 --> 00:52:22,079
called

1519
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:25,599
yeah it's scary like what they see

1520
00:52:31,829 --> 00:52:28,800
they see like a million you know abs

1521
00:52:33,190 --> 00:52:31,839
absolutely i'm i'm so happy to hear you

1522
00:52:34,470 --> 00:52:33,200
say that because i was involved in some

1523
00:52:36,790 --> 00:52:34,480
of that research with a flash flicker

1524
00:52:39,829 --> 00:52:36,800
rate of flies where you realize holy cow

1525
00:52:41,349 --> 00:52:39,839
the fly you know uh possesses things so

1526
00:52:44,470 --> 00:52:41,359
yeah usually people are like what

1527
00:52:45,750 --> 00:52:44,480
so no kudos martin we need to hang out

1528
00:52:45,990 --> 00:52:45,760
more often we need to get a beer and

1529
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:46,000
hang

1530
00:52:51,030 --> 00:52:49,440
out that's right yeah on

1531
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:51,040
zoom like everyone's doing so we're

1532
00:52:55,829 --> 00:52:53,280
gonna run into play uh to break now

1533
00:52:58,230 --> 00:52:55,839
and uh what's it's gonna be two minutes

1534
00:53:01,510 --> 00:52:58,240
for everyone in this uh this is music by

1535
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:01,520
he's written music for um for the show

1536
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:04,559
it's carrie lloyd whitehouse in

1537
00:53:07,589 --> 00:53:06,240
ireland and he's written some nice music

1538
00:53:12,829 --> 00:53:07,599
this one in particular

1539
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:14,520
children

1540
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:40,829
[Music]

1541
00:53:58,970 --> 00:53:42,890
me

1542
00:54:22,829 --> 00:54:05,250
[Music]

1543
00:55:11,829 --> 00:54:36,829
so

1544
00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:15,030
wow that was peppy wasn't it yeah

1545
00:55:18,150 --> 00:55:17,680
i woke me up over here that was good

1546
00:55:20,309 --> 00:55:18,160
yeah

1547
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:20,319
some really cool music for uh for movies

1548
00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:22,160
and things he's really great guys

1549
00:55:26,470 --> 00:55:23,920
been in touch when i first started this

1550
00:55:28,150 --> 00:55:26,480
uh this show so welcome back everyone uh

1551
00:55:30,069 --> 00:55:28,160
we have tim mcmillan

1552
00:55:31,390 --> 00:55:30,079
and all the way from germany and he's

1553
00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:31,400
talking about the

1554
00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:34,000
debrief.org make sure you do check that

1555
00:55:38,470 --> 00:55:35,440
out you're not going to crash it

1556
00:55:39,990 --> 00:55:38,480
anymore no we got things worked out now

1557
00:55:42,870 --> 00:55:40,000
yeah yeah

1558
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:42,880
i know i i i moved to this this show

1559
00:55:46,710 --> 00:55:43,200
this

1560
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:46,720
my show website became so uh i had so

1561
00:55:49,270 --> 00:55:48,240
much traffic on it that i ended up

1562
00:55:52,390 --> 00:55:49,280
having to put it on a

1563
00:55:53,910 --> 00:55:52,400
uh its own designated server and it took

1564
00:55:54,950 --> 00:55:53,920
over a year for them to straighten

1565
00:55:57,190 --> 00:55:54,960
things out

1566
00:55:58,390 --> 00:55:57,200
and then my wife's website website got

1567
00:56:01,910 --> 00:55:58,400
hacked last

1568
00:56:03,190 --> 00:56:01,920
february i lost 1500 pages and oh wow

1569
00:56:06,789 --> 00:56:03,200
but i don't care

1570
00:56:10,309 --> 00:56:06,799
it's it's it's simple now yeah i am

1571
00:56:11,990 --> 00:56:10,319
yeah yeah um so i would like to pop up

1572
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:12,000
another question because i saw that we

1573
00:56:18,069 --> 00:56:14,400
have a bunch of questions coming in

1574
00:56:21,270 --> 00:56:18,079
and sure uh let's see right here

1575
00:56:25,030 --> 00:56:21,280
um unidentified wants to know uh this is

1576
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:25,040
elise and uh he wants to know this first

1577
00:56:32,150 --> 00:56:28,810
photo that was leaked um

1578
00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:34,870
that was not actually leaked was it the

1579
00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:35,520
photo

1580
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:38,400
i mean the rendition was something dave

1581
00:56:43,109 --> 00:56:40,079
uh beatty made up

1582
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:43,119
correct i think he's a photo actually

1583
00:56:47,349 --> 00:56:46,240
no unless unless what's being discussed

1584
00:56:49,750 --> 00:56:47,359
there is the

1585
00:56:51,109 --> 00:56:49,760
uh the the photo we we published the

1586
00:56:54,470 --> 00:56:51,119
following day

1587
00:56:57,670 --> 00:56:54,480
um you know for for me yes

1588
00:56:59,109 --> 00:56:57,680
i mean the these were you know were used

1589
00:57:00,870 --> 00:56:59,119
you know in connection with other things

1590
00:57:02,549 --> 00:57:00,880
to verify the information

1591
00:57:04,630 --> 00:57:02,559
related to those intelligence assessment

1592
00:57:08,950 --> 00:57:04,640
reports however i understand

1593
00:57:10,549 --> 00:57:08,960
that um other than me telling you here's

1594
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:10,559
what different sources said who

1595
00:57:14,470 --> 00:57:12,480
unfortunately i can't name because it

1596
00:57:16,549 --> 00:57:14,480
would cost them their jobs

1597
00:57:18,470 --> 00:57:16,559
um or say how those were connected in

1598
00:57:20,150 --> 00:57:18,480
the reports um i can understand how

1599
00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:20,160
anybody would go yeah but this doesn't

1600
00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:22,400
prove anything and i respect that

1601
00:57:25,990 --> 00:57:25,200
um for me you know we publish that photo

1602
00:57:28,549 --> 00:57:26,000
as soon as we

1603
00:57:30,069 --> 00:57:28,559
could and and this is i've stood behind

1604
00:57:30,710 --> 00:57:30,079
it what is shown in that photo i don't

1605
00:57:35,510 --> 00:57:30,720
know

1606
00:57:38,150 --> 00:57:35,520
much like so much in this topic

1607
00:57:39,750 --> 00:57:38,160
uh i can find pros and cons or points

1608
00:57:42,069 --> 00:57:39,760
and counterpoints to every argument

1609
00:57:45,270 --> 00:57:42,079
that's made about it

1610
00:57:48,390 --> 00:57:45,280
but i can say with 100 certainty that

1611
00:57:50,710 --> 00:57:48,400
it was a uap task force photo

1612
00:57:53,030 --> 00:57:50,720
or a photo that was given to them it was

1613
00:57:55,270 --> 00:57:53,040
a uap task force photo that was included

1614
00:57:56,789 --> 00:57:55,280
in an intelligence assessment portfolio

1615
00:57:59,349 --> 00:57:56,799
that was provided to

1616
00:58:01,430 --> 00:57:59,359
the different analysts uh the background

1617
00:58:03,270 --> 00:58:01,440
and information on that particular event

1618
00:58:05,510 --> 00:58:03,280
in which it was captured actually

1619
00:58:06,390 --> 00:58:05,520
wasn't discussed in in the assessments

1620
00:58:09,270 --> 00:58:06,400
that i'm aware of

1621
00:58:10,470 --> 00:58:09,280
or that i was told about so the

1622
00:58:12,309 --> 00:58:10,480
information behind that is

1623
00:58:13,910 --> 00:58:12,319
unknown you know i don't even have

1624
00:58:15,589 --> 00:58:13,920
anybody uh

1625
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:15,599
you know that had seen those assessments

1626
00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:17,040
that could give me more

1627
00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:20,640
details on that event um and so

1628
00:58:24,069 --> 00:58:22,559
for me yes you know that was the big

1629
00:58:24,950 --> 00:58:24,079
thing and that's why we published it a

1630
00:58:27,030 --> 00:58:24,960
lot of people were like

1631
00:58:28,950 --> 00:58:27,040
why would you do this you ruined my life

1632
00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:28,960
it looks like a balloon and i was like

1633
00:58:33,270 --> 00:58:31,200
i never intended to ruin anybody's life

1634
00:58:35,990 --> 00:58:33,280
my thing is

1635
00:58:37,589 --> 00:58:36,000
totally about being objective and as

1636
00:58:38,789 --> 00:58:37,599
upfront as possible and i know that

1637
00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:38,799
didn't that sometimes it didn't make

1638
00:58:42,789 --> 00:58:41,040
people happy because they're like

1639
00:58:44,309 --> 00:58:42,799
yeah but it looks like a balloon it's

1640
00:58:47,109 --> 00:58:44,319
it's ruining the ufo

1641
00:58:48,309 --> 00:58:47,119
topic and if i can respond to that

1642
00:58:49,910 --> 00:58:48,319
martin

1643
00:58:50,950 --> 00:58:49,920
i want because this is i think this is

1644
00:58:51,750 --> 00:58:50,960
very important because i think people

1645
00:58:54,549 --> 00:58:51,760
have taken

1646
00:58:55,670 --> 00:58:54,559
so much they've put in so much into that

1647
00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:55,680
photo

1648
00:58:59,670 --> 00:58:57,359
and you know it's like i said when i was

1649
00:59:01,510 --> 00:58:59,680
in policing you

1650
00:59:02,710 --> 00:59:01,520
and we joked about this before we got on

1651
00:59:04,870 --> 00:59:02,720
the air

1652
00:59:06,789 --> 00:59:04,880
um i had people literally call our

1653
00:59:10,150 --> 00:59:06,799
agency call 9-1-1

1654
00:59:12,549 --> 00:59:10,160
to report their cable being out or their

1655
00:59:13,589 --> 00:59:12,559
somebody their circuit breaker was blown

1656
00:59:16,069 --> 00:59:13,599
true story

1657
00:59:17,910 --> 00:59:16,079
i also was you know the city that i

1658
00:59:20,150 --> 00:59:17,920
worked in had a violent crime rate 300

1659
00:59:22,870 --> 00:59:20,160
points higher than the city of chicago

1660
00:59:24,549 --> 00:59:22,880
it was very violent place i worked a lot

1661
00:59:26,950 --> 00:59:24,559
of shootings a lot of homicides

1662
00:59:29,349 --> 00:59:26,960
and so the spectrum of crimes that we

1663
00:59:32,390 --> 00:59:29,359
investigated or calls that we

1664
00:59:35,510 --> 00:59:32,400
looked into range from my cables out to

1665
00:59:40,069 --> 00:59:35,520
to homicide murder um

1666
00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:40,079
if you were to grab any one report

1667
00:59:43,510 --> 00:59:42,240
it could have been the cable out or it

1668
00:59:45,190 --> 00:59:43,520
could have been a homicide but either

1669
00:59:46,069 --> 00:59:45,200
way that one report is not going to be

1670
00:59:48,390 --> 00:59:46,079
reflective of the

1671
00:59:49,910 --> 00:59:48,400
totality of work that we did you're not

1672
00:59:50,630 --> 00:59:49,920
going to get a good representation of

1673
00:59:51,990 --> 00:59:50,640
the

1674
00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:52,000
what we did as an agency or as in

1675
00:59:58,829 --> 00:59:55,440
policing in general and so unfortunately

1676
00:59:59,990 --> 00:59:58,839
what we have is this one photo it does

1677
01:00:01,589 --> 01:00:00,000
not

1678
01:00:04,069 --> 01:00:01,599
mean that it's representative of

1679
01:00:06,549 --> 01:00:04,079
everything that the uop task force has

1680
01:00:08,069 --> 01:00:06,559
and frankly i said in the fast movers

1681
01:00:10,230 --> 01:00:08,079
article

1682
01:00:11,910 --> 01:00:10,240
there's no doubt in my mind that because

1683
01:00:13,030 --> 01:00:11,920
of the wide distribution anything that

1684
01:00:15,510 --> 01:00:13,040
was in in fact

1685
01:00:17,750 --> 01:00:15,520
top secret or any higher classification

1686
01:00:20,150 --> 01:00:17,760
authority because they were captured on

1687
01:00:21,510 --> 01:00:20,160
systems that may be compartmentalized

1688
01:00:23,270 --> 01:00:21,520
that type of thing that information

1689
01:00:26,230 --> 01:00:23,280
would not have been disseminated

1690
01:00:27,430 --> 01:00:26,240
but the us government has some really

1691
01:00:28,789 --> 01:00:27,440
cool stuff

1692
01:00:30,950 --> 01:00:28,799
and when it comes to reconnaissance

1693
01:00:34,870 --> 01:00:30,960
surveillance and all sorts of stuff

1694
01:00:36,390 --> 01:00:34,880
so uh you know i'm sure i i feel

1695
01:00:38,870 --> 01:00:36,400
i could say with a degree of high

1696
01:00:41,670 --> 01:00:38,880
confidence that there's there's

1697
01:00:41,990 --> 01:00:41,680
better data available to them and and i

1698
01:00:44,950 --> 01:00:42,000
always

1699
01:00:46,789 --> 01:00:44,960
point to if you kind of just want to use

1700
01:00:48,309 --> 01:00:46,799
bayesian logic here and just do

1701
01:00:51,349 --> 01:00:48,319
abductive logic

1702
01:00:53,190 --> 01:00:51,359
of known information the uh the

1703
01:00:55,349 --> 01:00:53,200
email exchange that we printed in that

1704
01:00:57,430 --> 01:00:55,359
fast mover article

1705
01:00:59,030 --> 01:00:57,440
between the the vice joint chiefs of

1706
01:01:00,710 --> 01:00:59,040
staff where you have the vice choice

1707
01:01:02,950 --> 01:01:00,720
vice chief of the navy recommending to

1708
01:01:06,069 --> 01:01:02,960
the vice chief of the air force

1709
01:01:08,789 --> 01:01:06,079
he's saying i recommend you get this

1710
01:01:10,630 --> 01:01:08,799
briefing i just received on

1711
01:01:12,870 --> 01:01:10,640
unidentified aerial phenomena no

1712
01:01:14,470 --> 01:01:12,880
ambiguity he spells it out

1713
01:01:16,230 --> 01:01:14,480
uh and acknowledges the secretary of the

1714
01:01:18,150 --> 01:01:16,240
navy receives that

1715
01:01:19,670 --> 01:01:18,160
um for anybody who's not been in the

1716
01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:19,680
military or has never been in the

1717
01:01:22,549 --> 01:01:20,880
pentagon world

1718
01:01:24,390 --> 01:01:22,559
i can tell you these are the highest

1719
01:01:27,589 --> 01:01:24,400
like these are the

1720
01:01:28,870 --> 01:01:27,599
tip of the spear these are the highest

1721
01:01:30,950 --> 01:01:28,880
individuals in the united states

1722
01:01:33,109 --> 01:01:30,960
military um

1723
01:01:35,349 --> 01:01:33,119
you don't waste their time with balloons

1724
01:01:38,230 --> 01:01:35,359
and you sure don't have one of them

1725
01:01:39,910 --> 01:01:38,240
who's only seen a balloon photo uh

1726
01:01:43,270 --> 01:01:39,920
recommend that his counterpart

1727
01:01:44,950 --> 01:01:43,280
receive the same briefing and you know

1728
01:01:46,390 --> 01:01:44,960
i was only able to get those because i

1729
01:01:48,230 --> 01:01:46,400
was just trolling

1730
01:01:49,589 --> 01:01:48,240
i sent out foias phishing people's

1731
01:01:53,670 --> 01:01:49,599
emails

1732
01:01:55,109 --> 01:01:53,680
people that contain the word uap and

1733
01:01:57,750 --> 01:01:55,119
that's what i got back

1734
01:01:59,190 --> 01:01:57,760
so uh i think a lot more emphasis has

1735
01:02:00,470 --> 01:01:59,200
been put on the photo than maybe

1736
01:02:03,829 --> 01:02:00,480
necessarily

1737
01:02:05,510 --> 01:02:03,839
uh the emphasis on that information or

1738
01:02:07,670 --> 01:02:05,520
the emphasis that

1739
01:02:08,950 --> 01:02:07,680
the article concluded with with general

1740
01:02:12,470 --> 01:02:08,960
uh

1741
01:02:14,150 --> 01:02:12,480
bruce mcclintock but in terms of what we

1742
01:02:16,230 --> 01:02:14,160
see in that photo right there

1743
01:02:17,990 --> 01:02:16,240
you know i think that i have seen some

1744
01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:18,000
really good analysis done

1745
01:02:21,510 --> 01:02:20,640
uh that doesn't surprise me in the least

1746
01:02:24,390 --> 01:02:21,520
i have said

1747
01:02:26,150 --> 01:02:24,400
you know i spent years training

1748
01:02:27,349 --> 01:02:26,160
investigators both federal and local

1749
01:02:29,510 --> 01:02:27,359
investigators

1750
01:02:30,870 --> 01:02:29,520
and yet there's times when i see people

1751
01:02:32,870 --> 01:02:30,880
in the ufo community

1752
01:02:34,390 --> 01:02:32,880
who it doesn't matter what subject just

1753
01:02:35,029 --> 01:02:34,400
happens to be ufos they could be looking

1754
01:02:37,829 --> 01:02:35,039
at

1755
01:02:39,510 --> 01:02:37,839
homicide there is every bit as good of

1756
01:02:41,190 --> 01:02:39,520
investigators as anybody ever worked

1757
01:02:43,349 --> 01:02:41,200
with or trained

1758
01:02:44,630 --> 01:02:43,359
um really incredible open source

1759
01:02:46,950 --> 01:02:44,640
investigation

1760
01:02:48,789 --> 01:02:46,960
and um so there's some great people out

1761
01:02:52,950 --> 01:02:48,799
there that i think will examine it uh

1762
01:02:56,069 --> 01:02:52,960
it is interesting i i uh i know that the

1763
01:02:57,190 --> 01:02:56,079
the batman balloon has been a leading

1764
01:02:59,270 --> 01:02:57,200
theory

1765
01:03:00,870 --> 01:02:59,280
um i will be honest and just give my

1766
01:03:03,589 --> 01:03:00,880
opinion i do not believe that is the

1767
01:03:06,710 --> 01:03:03,599
leading theory i do not believe that

1768
01:03:09,829 --> 01:03:06,720
it is a batman balloon be because

1769
01:03:11,670 --> 01:03:09,839
um i think what you see there

1770
01:03:12,870 --> 01:03:11,680
when don't be wrong when you're looking

1771
01:03:13,990 --> 01:03:12,880
at what we're looking at right now on

1772
01:03:16,549 --> 01:03:14,000
the screen

1773
01:03:18,230 --> 01:03:16,559
um if you put a batman balloon next to

1774
01:03:19,990 --> 01:03:18,240
it it it does look like

1775
01:03:21,829 --> 01:03:20,000
it it looks like it fits it to a team

1776
01:03:23,430 --> 01:03:21,839
the shape yeah um

1777
01:03:25,109 --> 01:03:23,440
i was trying to oh i've just found what

1778
01:03:26,230 --> 01:03:25,119
i was looking for and i'll pull it up in

1779
01:03:29,430 --> 01:03:26,240
just a second

1780
01:03:30,470 --> 01:03:29,440
but um but yeah but it's clear i mean is

1781
01:03:33,670 --> 01:03:30,480
this thing

1782
01:03:35,510 --> 01:03:33,680
is the batman balloon on one side i mean

1783
01:03:36,549 --> 01:03:35,520
you can see a little bit of some type of

1784
01:03:39,910 --> 01:03:36,559
design

1785
01:03:43,029 --> 01:03:39,920
but uh it doesn't look exactly

1786
01:03:43,990 --> 01:03:43,039
like it this is what well what's your

1787
01:03:46,069 --> 01:03:44,000
and what you're seeing there and

1788
01:03:47,910 --> 01:03:46,079
actually you've i've seen people do

1789
01:03:49,270 --> 01:03:47,920
analysis where they put it on top of it

1790
01:03:51,029 --> 01:03:49,280
or right next to it and you're like

1791
01:03:52,390 --> 01:03:51,039
say they people can suddenly start to

1792
01:03:54,309 --> 01:03:52,400
see batman

1793
01:03:56,789 --> 01:03:54,319
um what you're seeing there in my

1794
01:03:58,069 --> 01:03:56,799
opinion is something called paradolia

1795
01:04:00,470 --> 01:03:58,079
which is a um

1796
01:04:01,990 --> 01:04:00,480
i know exactly what you mean yeah yeah

1797
01:04:04,789 --> 01:04:02,000
you make up what you

1798
01:04:05,270 --> 01:04:04,799
it's actually goes back to our survival

1799
01:04:11,430 --> 01:04:05,280
in

1800
01:04:12,630 --> 01:04:11,440
how we try to identify you know someone

1801
01:04:15,750 --> 01:04:12,640
that's going to

1802
01:04:18,710 --> 01:04:15,760
you know uh eat us you know predators

1803
01:04:20,150 --> 01:04:18,720
yeah yes yep yeah you you and you can't

1804
01:04:21,750 --> 01:04:20,160
help it that's what i think is important

1805
01:04:23,029 --> 01:04:21,760
when people like no no it looks just

1806
01:04:24,390 --> 01:04:23,039
like it and i go

1807
01:04:26,390 --> 01:04:24,400
i understand that that's the way your

1808
01:04:28,069 --> 01:04:26,400
brain works um

1809
01:04:29,510 --> 01:04:28,079
when you put it next to it but but there

1810
01:04:32,870 --> 01:04:29,520
are mitigating factors

1811
01:04:34,710 --> 01:04:32,880
um that that for me and again my thing

1812
01:04:38,230 --> 01:04:34,720
is try to be as objective about it

1813
01:04:40,950 --> 01:04:38,240
as humanly possible that i can say

1814
01:04:42,630 --> 01:04:40,960
that's a good theory but i and i'm

1815
01:04:44,069 --> 01:04:42,640
perfectly content if that's what it

1816
01:04:45,750 --> 01:04:44,079
turns out being but i don't know that

1817
01:04:47,109 --> 01:04:45,760
there's been enough information

1818
01:04:48,470 --> 01:04:47,119
i don't know that there's enough public

1819
01:04:49,270 --> 01:04:48,480
information available to make that

1820
01:04:52,150 --> 01:04:49,280
conclusion as

1821
01:04:53,190 --> 01:04:52,160
is and and i think um we talked about

1822
01:04:55,750 --> 01:04:53,200
that off the air

1823
01:04:58,150 --> 01:04:55,760
it is at an altitude the people who saw

1824
01:04:59,589 --> 01:04:58,160
the reports approximated at 35 000 feet

1825
01:05:01,109 --> 01:04:59,599
i think it's much higher because you can

1826
01:05:01,829 --> 01:05:01,119
see the curvature of the earth in that

1827
01:05:05,190 --> 01:05:01,839
photograph

1828
01:05:07,670 --> 01:05:05,200
um right there yeah yeah and then and

1829
01:05:08,710 --> 01:05:07,680
you're you're right and you know at 7

1830
01:05:11,990 --> 01:05:08,720
000 feet most

1831
01:05:14,390 --> 01:05:12,000
mylar balloons will will blow up

1832
01:05:15,670 --> 01:05:14,400
or they will drop in altitude because

1833
01:05:17,829 --> 01:05:15,680
they'll lose pressure

1834
01:05:19,750 --> 01:05:17,839
uh i i think it's because they're

1835
01:05:22,789 --> 01:05:19,760
actually blowing up that they

1836
01:05:24,549 --> 01:05:22,799
drop altitude but i mean

1837
01:05:26,549 --> 01:05:24,559
i i couldn't find any records of

1838
01:05:27,349 --> 01:05:26,559
anything going above you know 20 000

1839
01:05:29,430 --> 01:05:27,359
feet or

1840
01:05:31,029 --> 01:05:29,440
even 10 000 feet i don't know have you

1841
01:05:33,589 --> 01:05:31,039
looked into that part of it

1842
01:05:35,990 --> 01:05:33,599
yes and not not in the commercial like

1843
01:05:37,750 --> 01:05:36,000
the party balloon the batman balloon no

1844
01:05:39,510 --> 01:05:37,760
because i think as you're seeing the

1845
01:05:41,270 --> 01:05:39,520
curvature of the earth and i encourage

1846
01:05:42,789 --> 01:05:41,280
anybody you can just just google search

1847
01:05:45,750 --> 01:05:42,799
just google image search

1848
01:05:47,510 --> 01:05:45,760
uh 30 000 feet in the air or 40 000 feet

1849
01:05:50,549 --> 01:05:47,520
in the air and see what the

1850
01:05:51,829 --> 01:05:50,559
the view you see from the earth and and

1851
01:05:53,670 --> 01:05:51,839
i think you'll see that what we're

1852
01:05:55,829 --> 01:05:53,680
looking at there is much more consistent

1853
01:05:57,510 --> 01:05:55,839
with it being 40 to between 40 to 45

1854
01:05:58,390 --> 01:05:57,520
thousand feet in altitude above sea

1855
01:06:01,270 --> 01:05:58,400
level

1856
01:06:03,670 --> 01:06:01,280
uh that f-18 in fact you can tell by the

1857
01:06:06,950 --> 01:06:03,680
model there it's it's an f-18

1858
01:06:09,510 --> 01:06:06,960
f model a double seater is um

1859
01:06:11,510 --> 01:06:09,520
it has a maximum ceiling of 55 000 feet

1860
01:06:15,589 --> 01:06:11,520
and so it can climb

1861
01:06:17,670 --> 01:06:15,599
um and you know i i

1862
01:06:20,950 --> 01:06:17,680
if it is a balloon and and don't get me

1863
01:06:22,710 --> 01:06:20,960
wrong just based on the photos itself

1864
01:06:25,190 --> 01:06:22,720
i think that saying it's a balloon is

1865
01:06:26,069 --> 01:06:25,200
that's a great analysis i wouldn't say

1866
01:06:28,710 --> 01:06:26,079
that anybody's

1867
01:06:29,750 --> 01:06:28,720
wrong here we are at 40 000 feet on this

1868
01:06:32,950 --> 01:06:29,760
view

1869
01:06:34,069 --> 01:06:32,960
yeah i mean that's you can see the this

1870
01:06:37,029 --> 01:06:34,079
one's higher

1871
01:06:38,470 --> 01:06:37,039
higher higher correct correct here's 40

1872
01:06:39,670 --> 01:06:38,480
000 feet you can't really see the

1873
01:06:41,829 --> 01:06:39,680
curvature

1874
01:06:44,150 --> 01:06:41,839
and then yet when you're looking at this

1875
01:06:46,710 --> 01:06:44,160
you can see the slight curvature

1876
01:06:48,470 --> 01:06:46,720
yeah i mean they may be maxing close to

1877
01:06:50,470 --> 01:06:48,480
which in itself you know

1878
01:06:53,029 --> 01:06:50,480
it kind of uh let's say it harpens back

1879
01:06:54,069 --> 01:06:53,039
to the the the tragic mantel incident

1880
01:06:57,109 --> 01:06:54,079
where he went

1881
01:06:59,349 --> 01:06:57,119
uh above altitude with oxygen is that

1882
01:07:00,549 --> 01:06:59,359
something caused these pilots to pursue

1883
01:07:02,789 --> 01:07:00,559
it at potentially

1884
01:07:04,789 --> 01:07:02,799
close to the the maximum ceiling

1885
01:07:07,510 --> 01:07:04,799
capacity of that f-18

1886
01:07:07,990 --> 01:07:07,520
um that's that's you know so that's what

1887
01:07:10,230 --> 01:07:08,000
i mean

1888
01:07:11,589 --> 01:07:10,240
there's mitigating factors including the

1889
01:07:13,670 --> 01:07:11,599
pilot testimony that

1890
01:07:14,870 --> 01:07:13,680
that i think no matter what it shakes

1891
01:07:17,029 --> 01:07:14,880
out to be is fine

1892
01:07:18,069 --> 01:07:17,039
for me like if it's a balloon it's fine

1893
01:07:20,069 --> 01:07:18,079
um

1894
01:07:21,589 --> 01:07:20,079
and if that's the case i think it's also

1895
01:07:22,950 --> 01:07:21,599
very important that people recognize

1896
01:07:24,710 --> 01:07:22,960
that that

1897
01:07:27,910 --> 01:07:24,720
that doesn't dispel any other

1898
01:07:30,309 --> 01:07:27,920
information the uap task force may have

1899
01:07:32,390 --> 01:07:30,319
or has investigated because their

1900
01:07:34,710 --> 01:07:32,400
mission has always been stated

1901
01:07:35,670 --> 01:07:34,720
to investigate unknown aerial objects

1902
01:07:38,069 --> 01:07:35,680
that are in

1903
01:07:39,510 --> 01:07:38,079
military airspace that pose a threat if

1904
01:07:40,549 --> 01:07:39,520
that is a balloon and those pilots

1905
01:07:43,670 --> 01:07:40,559
couldn't identify

1906
01:07:46,150 --> 01:07:43,680
that is even a balloon is a threat

1907
01:07:47,109 --> 01:07:46,160
uh it is a potential safety hazard and

1908
01:07:49,589 --> 01:07:47,119
so

1909
01:07:51,190 --> 01:07:49,599
um it's interesting though and i

1910
01:07:53,750 --> 01:07:51,200
mentioned this to you off camera and i

1911
01:07:55,990 --> 01:07:53,760
just haven't had a chance to

1912
01:07:58,150 --> 01:07:56,000
kind of lay it out i mean we haven't

1913
01:07:59,589 --> 01:07:58,160
followed up on this because i think

1914
01:08:01,589 --> 01:07:59,599
uh especially when you're trying to run

1915
01:08:03,589 --> 01:08:01,599
a media outlet it's imperative that you

1916
01:08:04,950 --> 01:08:03,599
responsibly report and follow up so

1917
01:08:06,390 --> 01:08:04,960
instead of like coming out with every

1918
01:08:07,670 --> 01:08:06,400
little thing that comes up we want to

1919
01:08:10,230 --> 01:08:07,680
make sure we make the most

1920
01:08:11,589 --> 01:08:10,240
accurate appraisal we can but we're

1921
01:08:12,390 --> 01:08:11,599
still looking at it and one of those

1922
01:08:15,430 --> 01:08:12,400
involved

1923
01:08:18,470 --> 01:08:15,440
um maybe me getting copies

1924
01:08:21,749 --> 01:08:18,480
of all nearly 11

1925
01:08:25,510 --> 01:08:21,759
000 hazard reports filed by the u.s navy

1926
01:08:27,669 --> 01:08:25,520
in the last 16 years wow

1927
01:08:29,749 --> 01:08:27,679
you know people may remember these has

1928
01:08:32,070 --> 01:08:29,759
reports where they're called haz reps

1929
01:08:34,309 --> 01:08:32,080
the new york times and the war zone

1930
01:08:37,110 --> 01:08:34,319
reported on these in the spring

1931
01:08:38,309 --> 01:08:37,120
where they had those who ate supposed

1932
01:08:41,349 --> 01:08:38,319
uap

1933
01:08:42,789 --> 01:08:41,359
has reps well i got all of them i said i

1934
01:08:45,110 --> 01:08:42,799
want all of them i don't want you to

1935
01:08:48,550 --> 01:08:45,120
tell me what's uap i want to look

1936
01:08:51,349 --> 01:08:48,560
and um there were some balloon reports

1937
01:08:53,269 --> 01:08:51,359
and i will tell you that there was

1938
01:08:55,510 --> 01:08:53,279
significant

1939
01:08:57,430 --> 01:08:55,520
investigation of work done even in these

1940
01:08:59,430 --> 01:08:57,440
instances where you had pilots

1941
01:09:00,709 --> 01:08:59,440
who knew they saw a balloon like they

1942
01:09:02,229 --> 01:09:00,719
said this is a balloon we saw we

1943
01:09:03,430 --> 01:09:02,239
encountered this balloon in a restricted

1944
01:09:05,189 --> 01:09:03,440
airspace

1945
01:09:07,110 --> 01:09:05,199
uh still a significant amount of

1946
01:09:10,709 --> 01:09:07,120
investigation went into it

1947
01:09:13,430 --> 01:09:10,719
and there are no hazard reports

1948
01:09:15,030 --> 01:09:13,440
that coincide not only did they not

1949
01:09:16,870 --> 01:09:15,040
coincide with the dates that

1950
01:09:18,550 --> 01:09:16,880
this event was believed to have taken

1951
01:09:20,229 --> 01:09:18,560
place there are none that

1952
01:09:22,950 --> 01:09:20,239
are filed over the ocean involving

1953
01:09:25,749 --> 01:09:22,960
balloons so

1954
01:09:26,630 --> 01:09:25,759
you know at a minimum that would suggest

1955
01:09:29,030 --> 01:09:26,640
to me that there

1956
01:09:31,110 --> 01:09:29,040
it was at least some factors that led

1957
01:09:32,709 --> 01:09:31,120
these pilots to not believe

1958
01:09:34,149 --> 01:09:32,719
this was a balloon what those are i

1959
01:09:37,510 --> 01:09:34,159
don't know yet and

1960
01:09:38,870 --> 01:09:37,520
um you know it it might sound

1961
01:09:40,550 --> 01:09:38,880
strange to people because you're like

1962
01:09:40,950 --> 01:09:40,560
dude you just reported on all this stuff

1963
01:09:43,269 --> 01:09:40,960
that's

1964
01:09:44,470 --> 01:09:43,279
out of classified systems and everything

1965
01:09:46,390 --> 01:09:44,480
but i am kind of

1966
01:09:48,390 --> 01:09:46,400
i try to be very respectful to people's

1967
01:09:50,149 --> 01:09:48,400
professional careers and everything so

1968
01:09:51,990 --> 01:09:50,159
i'll be the first to admit thus far i

1969
01:09:52,950 --> 01:09:52,000
haven't started beating down doors at

1970
01:09:55,030 --> 01:09:52,960
air wings

1971
01:09:57,270 --> 01:09:55,040
you know trying to give me the pilot who

1972
01:10:00,390 --> 01:09:57,280
did this give me the pilot who did that

1973
01:10:03,590 --> 01:10:00,400
um because i you know in my experience

1974
01:10:04,550 --> 01:10:03,600
you're not usually i do better when i

1975
01:10:06,550 --> 01:10:04,560
come along

1976
01:10:08,070 --> 01:10:06,560
way after the fact and say hey i hear

1977
01:10:08,550 --> 01:10:08,080
you've been hounded by a lot of people i

1978
01:10:10,630 --> 01:10:08,560
bet

1979
01:10:11,830 --> 01:10:10,640
you know would you like to tell your

1980
01:10:15,189 --> 01:10:11,840
story now

1981
01:10:18,709 --> 01:10:15,199
um you know and hopefully people trust

1982
01:10:20,870 --> 01:10:18,719
that uh you know i always try to be

1983
01:10:23,350 --> 01:10:20,880
as honest and objective as humanly

1984
01:10:24,790 --> 01:10:23,360
possible whenever i tell somebody story

1985
01:10:26,149 --> 01:10:24,800
but yeah there you go that's that's a

1986
01:10:28,149 --> 01:10:26,159
has wrap you have on the screen right

1987
01:10:30,630 --> 01:10:28,159
there yeah it's hard to read though

1988
01:10:31,430 --> 01:10:30,640
but um yeah uh just to so someone can

1989
01:10:34,149 --> 01:10:31,440
get an idea

1990
01:10:36,229 --> 01:10:34,159
um there was another uh why don't i pop

1991
01:10:38,229 --> 01:10:36,239
in another question

1992
01:10:39,590 --> 01:10:38,239
and uh just navigating through different

1993
01:10:43,510 --> 01:10:39,600
things here uh

1994
01:10:45,910 --> 01:10:43,520
let's see this question is

1995
01:10:46,790 --> 01:10:45,920
uh this is going back to the nellis

1996
01:10:48,870 --> 01:10:46,800
video

1997
01:10:50,470 --> 01:10:48,880
that we showed earlier uh did anyone

1998
01:10:53,669 --> 01:10:50,480
ever come up with a

1999
01:10:57,030 --> 01:10:53,679
size for what they thought that might be

2000
01:10:58,229 --> 01:10:57,040
yeah i don't know no you know i don't

2001
01:11:01,990 --> 01:10:58,239
have an answer to that question

2002
01:11:05,430 --> 01:11:02,000
and i'll be the first to admit um

2003
01:11:08,310 --> 01:11:05,440
i'm not a quote-unquote ufo investigator

2004
01:11:10,229 --> 01:11:08,320
as much as i'm an investigator and i

2005
01:11:11,189 --> 01:11:10,239
you'll hear me say this a lot to people

2006
01:11:12,870 --> 01:11:11,199
is i i

2007
01:11:14,070 --> 01:11:12,880
i know my role i know what i know and i

2008
01:11:14,950 --> 01:11:14,080
don't know what i don't know and i

2009
01:11:18,070 --> 01:11:14,960
always try to stand

2010
01:11:19,590 --> 01:11:18,080
lane and and so like my lane is uh

2011
01:11:20,870 --> 01:11:19,600
i have good you know i've been able to

2012
01:11:22,390 --> 01:11:20,880
get some good connections and

2013
01:11:23,830 --> 01:11:22,400
relationships with people

2014
01:11:25,590 --> 01:11:23,840
inside the government who know a little

2015
01:11:26,310 --> 01:11:25,600
about this or a lot about this or

2016
01:11:27,910 --> 01:11:26,320
something

2017
01:11:29,510 --> 01:11:27,920
and so i try to work to get information

2018
01:11:30,550 --> 01:11:29,520
that came out of the public but when it

2019
01:11:33,669 --> 01:11:30,560
comes to those real

2020
01:11:35,669 --> 01:11:33,679
great analysis that people do um

2021
01:11:36,870 --> 01:11:35,679
often i turn to experts or either turn

2022
01:11:40,790 --> 01:11:36,880
to the people who are

2023
01:11:43,510 --> 01:11:40,800
doing it the the people like um oh gosh

2024
01:11:45,270 --> 01:11:43,520
uh i knew why is the name escaping me

2025
01:11:47,189 --> 01:11:45,280
but for mufon that does the

2026
01:11:48,390 --> 01:11:47,199
video announcement marcie antonio

2027
01:11:51,430 --> 01:11:48,400
antonio yes

2028
01:11:53,590 --> 01:11:51,440
we we spoke before my article um i

2029
01:11:56,149 --> 01:11:53,600
talked to him about his uso encounter

2030
01:11:57,110 --> 01:11:56,159
and um so people like that do a great

2031
01:12:00,390 --> 01:11:57,120
job

2032
01:12:01,830 --> 01:12:00,400
and um i'll be looking for that for me

2033
01:12:03,669 --> 01:12:01,840
and and people have probably seen it in

2034
01:12:06,310 --> 01:12:03,679
my articles i did it

2035
01:12:08,550 --> 01:12:06,320
with the an article that was published

2036
01:12:09,590 --> 01:12:08,560
in january in popular mechanics about

2037
01:12:12,149 --> 01:12:09,600
the nimitz event

2038
01:12:14,070 --> 01:12:12,159
i turn it over to experts i hand in to

2039
01:12:16,149 --> 01:12:14,080
somebody whose job it is i mean

2040
01:12:17,189 --> 01:12:16,159
it's the same thing i would have did as

2041
01:12:18,630 --> 01:12:17,199
a police investigator

2042
01:12:20,790 --> 01:12:18,640
i'd hand it to the forensics people i'd

2043
01:12:22,470 --> 01:12:20,800
hand it to whoever

2044
01:12:24,229 --> 01:12:22,480
to really assess that but i think it's a

2045
01:12:26,149 --> 01:12:24,239
great question i would love

2046
01:12:27,510 --> 01:12:26,159
to see more analysis done on that video

2047
01:12:30,709 --> 01:12:27,520
frankly yeah

2048
01:12:32,070 --> 01:12:30,719
yeah uh yeah and mark would be yeah

2049
01:12:34,070 --> 01:12:32,080
it would think that he would really

2050
01:12:37,189 --> 01:12:34,080
attack that one you know the uh

2051
01:12:39,430 --> 01:12:37,199
the scu did a really good job on some

2052
01:12:40,630 --> 01:12:39,440
on some videos it'd be great to see them

2053
01:12:43,270 --> 01:12:40,640
tackle that uh

2054
01:12:44,709 --> 01:12:43,280
so uh someone from the uk has this

2055
01:12:46,310 --> 01:12:44,719
question pj hughes

2056
01:12:48,470 --> 01:12:46,320
who's also been on the show stated that

2057
01:12:50,550 --> 01:12:48,480
the e2 hawkeye captured certain

2058
01:12:52,709 --> 01:12:50,560
frequencies from the tic tac

2059
01:12:55,350 --> 01:12:52,719
um do you have any more information on

2060
01:12:55,910 --> 01:12:55,360
that i don't i've spoken to pj about

2061
01:12:58,950 --> 01:12:55,920
that

2062
01:13:01,350 --> 01:12:58,960
and um you know you know he's

2063
01:13:02,630 --> 01:13:01,360
shared as much as he can because those

2064
01:13:04,790 --> 01:13:02,640
systems you know

2065
01:13:06,630 --> 01:13:04,800
may carry you know that's that's the

2066
01:13:07,830 --> 01:13:06,640
tough part with all of this

2067
01:13:09,910 --> 01:13:07,840
is that none of these systems were

2068
01:13:11,350 --> 01:13:09,920
designed to hunt ufos

2069
01:13:13,270 --> 01:13:11,360
they were designed for other military

2070
01:13:14,709 --> 01:13:13,280
purposes and so there's stuff that they

2071
01:13:17,030 --> 01:13:14,719
can't share

2072
01:13:18,630 --> 01:13:17,040
um and so i don't know particularly what

2073
01:13:22,390 --> 01:13:18,640
type of electronic

2074
01:13:25,430 --> 01:13:22,400
or signals data was recovered from that

2075
01:13:28,550 --> 01:13:25,440
i did speak to an individual

2076
01:13:30,310 --> 01:13:28,560
who uh i have talked about i'm trying to

2077
01:13:31,110 --> 01:13:30,320
see if i've written it in any articles

2078
01:13:33,750 --> 01:13:31,120
but but his

2079
01:13:34,630 --> 01:13:33,760
you know i've mentioned it before uh who

2080
01:13:38,790 --> 01:13:34,640
was

2081
01:13:40,149 --> 01:13:38,800
warfare officer on the uss princeton

2082
01:13:42,390 --> 01:13:40,159
during this event

2083
01:13:43,990 --> 01:13:42,400
and um i did speak to them they they're

2084
01:13:45,510 --> 01:13:44,000
out of the military now but they work

2085
01:13:47,430 --> 01:13:45,520
for another

2086
01:13:49,110 --> 01:13:47,440
aerospace company so they can't come

2087
01:13:50,470 --> 01:13:49,120
forward by name

2088
01:13:52,790 --> 01:13:50,480
but we did have a good chat and you know

2089
01:13:54,070 --> 01:13:52,800
for him he said it did not

2090
01:13:55,350 --> 01:13:54,080
in fact it was really interesting

2091
01:13:56,790 --> 01:13:55,360
interview because it added some other

2092
01:13:59,350 --> 01:13:56,800
dynamics that i don't think have been

2093
01:14:01,669 --> 01:13:59,360
out there because this was his job

2094
01:14:03,830 --> 01:14:01,679
and you know he pointed out to me that

2095
01:14:05,750 --> 01:14:03,840
they could only get returns on this

2096
01:14:06,709 --> 01:14:05,760
object from the princeton based on

2097
01:14:09,669 --> 01:14:06,719
surface returns

2098
01:14:12,390 --> 01:14:09,679
so passive radar systems and he

2099
01:14:14,149 --> 01:14:12,400
explained that when the spy-1 radar

2100
01:14:15,990 --> 01:14:14,159
was first getting them and they thought

2101
01:14:17,189 --> 01:14:16,000
that uh in garyvoy he's just talked

2102
01:14:19,110 --> 01:14:17,199
about this where

2103
01:14:20,790 --> 01:14:19,120
they took down the spy one which was a

2104
01:14:23,030 --> 01:14:20,800
brand new radar system

2105
01:14:24,630 --> 01:14:23,040
and uh you know just because they

2106
01:14:25,830 --> 01:14:24,640
thought it was malfunctioning

2107
01:14:28,070 --> 01:14:25,840
this gentleman told me that they

2108
01:14:30,470 --> 01:14:28,080
actually put up two other radar systems

2109
01:14:32,149 --> 01:14:30,480
to double check this you know two of the

2110
01:14:33,590 --> 01:14:32,159
previous iterations

2111
01:14:35,510 --> 01:14:33,600
and they could only get surface returns

2112
01:14:36,229 --> 01:14:35,520
they could not get signals or electronic

2113
01:14:39,110 --> 01:14:36,239
data

2114
01:14:40,550 --> 01:14:39,120
now that's from the princeton there's a

2115
01:14:42,229 --> 01:14:40,560
reason that the e2

2116
01:14:43,750 --> 01:14:42,239
hawkeye exist there's a reason we have

2117
01:14:44,709 --> 01:14:43,760
earlier warning planes and that's

2118
01:14:47,030 --> 01:14:44,719
because they have more

2119
01:14:48,709 --> 01:14:47,040
sophisticated systems to track data so

2120
01:14:50,550 --> 01:14:48,719
there is the potential exist

2121
01:14:52,390 --> 01:14:50,560
that the uh the airborne system could

2122
01:14:55,830 --> 01:14:52,400
have gotten better data

2123
01:14:56,870 --> 01:14:55,840
um but i haven't heard and pj's never

2124
01:15:00,390 --> 01:14:56,880
told me

2125
01:15:03,750 --> 01:15:00,400
anything or hinted at saying that

2126
01:15:06,070 --> 01:15:03,760
the signature data was consistent with

2127
01:15:07,590 --> 01:15:06,080
it being some type of known platform

2128
01:15:11,030 --> 01:15:07,600
both foreign or otherwise

2129
01:15:14,229 --> 01:15:11,040
so um i wish i had more for you

2130
01:15:15,189 --> 01:15:14,239
yeah uh uh have you even uh i'm gonna

2131
01:15:18,390 --> 01:15:15,199
bring this up uh

2132
01:15:21,910 --> 01:15:18,400
neil i'll ask this question um do

2133
01:15:23,189 --> 01:15:21,920
can you expand on the israel ex security

2134
01:15:25,110 --> 01:15:23,199
chief statements now

2135
01:15:26,630 --> 01:15:25,120
i someone said that i mean the first

2136
01:15:28,870 --> 01:15:26,640
thing i read was

2137
01:15:30,470 --> 01:15:28,880
intergalactic something and i go oh my

2138
01:15:32,470 --> 01:15:30,480
god this this has got to be

2139
01:15:34,630 --> 01:15:32,480
a hoax uh so i didn't read into it have

2140
01:15:36,630 --> 01:15:34,640
you read more on that

2141
01:15:37,750 --> 01:15:36,640
i did and here's why i was interested i

2142
01:15:38,310 --> 01:15:37,760
mean don't get me wrong when i first saw

2143
01:15:40,390 --> 01:15:38,320
it i thought

2144
01:15:41,430 --> 01:15:40,400
probably the same thing you did i went

2145
01:15:44,470 --> 01:15:41,440
oh dear lord

2146
01:15:47,990 --> 01:15:44,480
what is this silliness um but

2147
01:15:49,189 --> 01:15:48,000
it's very very fortunate because uh

2148
01:15:51,030 --> 01:15:49,199
when i was in policing in the state of

2149
01:15:52,790 --> 01:15:51,040
georgia we had a program called glee

2150
01:15:54,709 --> 01:15:52,800
which is the the georgia israeli law

2151
01:15:55,430 --> 01:15:54,719
enforcement exchange program so every

2152
01:15:57,590 --> 01:15:55,440
year

2153
01:15:58,790 --> 01:15:57,600
uh you had a set of uh law enforcement

2154
01:16:00,310 --> 01:15:58,800
commanders of different agencies in

2155
01:16:00,870 --> 01:16:00,320
georgia would go to israel for a week

2156
01:16:02,550 --> 01:16:00,880
and then

2157
01:16:04,950 --> 01:16:02,560
on the other half the year israeli

2158
01:16:08,390 --> 01:16:04,960
commanders would come in wow

2159
01:16:11,590 --> 01:16:08,400
yeah yeah really cool program yeah and

2160
01:16:14,630 --> 01:16:11,600
uh because i was the only probably still

2161
01:16:16,149 --> 01:16:14,640
am the only that ever uh you know was in

2162
01:16:17,669 --> 01:16:16,159
policing the state of georgia who who

2163
01:16:19,430 --> 01:16:17,679
spoke hebrew who was fleeing

2164
01:16:20,790 --> 01:16:19,440
in hebrew i got roped i was gonna say

2165
01:16:22,149 --> 01:16:20,800
that would be a stumbling block for the

2166
01:16:24,149 --> 01:16:22,159
exchange

2167
01:16:25,830 --> 01:16:24,159
right well and most everybody speaks

2168
01:16:27,189 --> 01:16:25,840
english but i spoke hebrew and so it was

2169
01:16:28,630 --> 01:16:27,199
nice i always got

2170
01:16:30,390 --> 01:16:28,640
tasked to these details but to make

2171
01:16:32,870 --> 01:16:30,400
great contacts in israel

2172
01:16:34,550 --> 01:16:32,880
and so uh after this all came out i kind

2173
01:16:36,149 --> 01:16:34,560
of was like jeez but then

2174
01:16:37,830 --> 01:16:36,159
and i heard about it i actually heard

2175
01:16:39,430 --> 01:16:37,840
about it from israeli friend

2176
01:16:40,870 --> 01:16:39,440
very early on like right after the

2177
01:16:43,990 --> 01:16:40,880
interview and i went

2178
01:16:45,910 --> 01:16:44,000
this is nuts and dismissed it then it

2179
01:16:47,110 --> 01:16:45,920
blew up in the english-speaking media

2180
01:16:49,750 --> 01:16:47,120
and i was like oh god

2181
01:16:51,590 --> 01:16:49,760
yeah it was everywhere yeah right and so

2182
01:16:52,630 --> 01:16:51,600
i asked some people i'm like what is the

2183
01:16:54,070 --> 01:16:52,640
deal with this

2184
01:16:56,229 --> 01:16:54,080
and it was interesting because they said

2185
01:16:59,350 --> 01:16:56,239
you know if english-speaking media

2186
01:17:02,709 --> 01:16:59,360
people are surprised by what was said

2187
01:17:05,750 --> 01:17:02,719
imagine us and israel are like i'm sorry

2188
01:17:07,189 --> 01:17:05,760
what because uh he

2189
01:17:08,709 --> 01:17:07,199
this was a this is actually a very

2190
01:17:10,950 --> 01:17:08,719
respected gentleman i mean my first

2191
01:17:13,110 --> 01:17:10,960
thoughts were he's nearly 90 years old

2192
01:17:14,550 --> 01:17:13,120
as any of us could experience you know

2193
01:17:16,310 --> 01:17:14,560
potential decline in middle

2194
01:17:18,390 --> 01:17:16,320
mental faculties my concern was is

2195
01:17:20,790 --> 01:17:18,400
somebody taking advantage of him

2196
01:17:22,470 --> 01:17:20,800
yeah but i i didn't get any indication

2197
01:17:24,950 --> 01:17:22,480
that was the sentence

2198
01:17:26,149 --> 01:17:24,960
and they said no he's highly respected

2199
01:17:29,350 --> 01:17:26,159
he's the grandfather of

2200
01:17:29,669 --> 01:17:29,360
israel's space program but they said in

2201
01:17:32,470 --> 01:17:29,679
the

2202
01:17:33,350 --> 01:17:32,480
general opinion is a um it's kind of

2203
01:17:37,030 --> 01:17:33,360
been well known

2204
01:17:39,510 --> 01:17:37,040
he's actually a a ufo

2205
01:17:40,950 --> 01:17:39,520
buff or let's say believer for a long

2206
01:17:42,310 --> 01:17:40,960
time he's been interested in this topic

2207
01:17:44,630 --> 01:17:42,320
for a long time

2208
01:17:45,750 --> 01:17:44,640
and so their kind of general assessment

2209
01:17:49,110 --> 01:17:45,760
of this was

2210
01:17:51,430 --> 01:17:49,120
is that they think he yeah you know

2211
01:17:52,310 --> 01:17:51,440
when he said that he was saying things

2212
01:17:55,430 --> 01:17:52,320
that he has

2213
01:17:57,990 --> 01:17:55,440
read in other places or been told by

2214
01:18:00,630 --> 01:17:58,000
other people not necessarily in

2215
01:18:04,070 --> 01:18:00,640
positions of a power or authority

2216
01:18:04,870 --> 01:18:04,080
and yet there may be a very good reason

2217
01:18:07,590 --> 01:18:04,880
why he would

2218
01:18:09,430 --> 01:18:07,600
believe these things in essence they

2219
01:18:11,270 --> 01:18:09,440
believe that during his time as a

2220
01:18:13,669 --> 01:18:11,280
security chief for israel

2221
01:18:14,630 --> 01:18:13,679
uh in the space program that he may have

2222
01:18:16,229 --> 01:18:14,640
been made aware

2223
01:18:18,149 --> 01:18:16,239
of things that the u.s government or

2224
01:18:19,910 --> 01:18:18,159
other governments haven't talked about

2225
01:18:20,870 --> 01:18:19,920
or kind of dismissed or this idea i

2226
01:18:22,310 --> 01:18:20,880
think

2227
01:18:24,229 --> 01:18:22,320
there's plenty of times we've heard that

2228
01:18:25,189 --> 01:18:24,239
the people in in the military say yeah

2229
01:18:27,669 --> 01:18:25,199
we catch

2230
01:18:28,870 --> 01:18:27,679
you know fast movers and fast walkers

2231
01:18:31,910 --> 01:18:28,880
you know these weird

2232
01:18:34,390 --> 01:18:31,920
stuff comes up all the time and so

2233
01:18:35,750 --> 01:18:34,400
i think that there's a little bit of

2234
01:18:37,990 --> 01:18:35,760
potential that he is

2235
01:18:39,590 --> 01:18:38,000
he is taking maybe he does have some

2236
01:18:39,990 --> 01:18:39,600
more tangible information that the us

2237
01:18:41,430 --> 01:18:40,000
government

2238
01:18:43,830 --> 01:18:41,440
knows more about this stuff or has

2239
01:18:45,750 --> 01:18:43,840
invested more in it and then also

2240
01:18:47,030 --> 01:18:45,760
i mean i was told he he's always had a

2241
01:18:48,550 --> 01:18:47,040
big imagination

2242
01:18:50,790 --> 01:18:48,560
and you know that's what's made him a

2243
01:18:51,430 --> 01:18:50,800
great in leading the israel space

2244
01:18:53,270 --> 01:18:51,440
program

2245
01:18:55,350 --> 01:18:53,280
you know people who believe we can get

2246
01:18:58,630 --> 01:18:55,360
off the ground are the ones who do

2247
01:19:01,510 --> 01:18:58,640
and so um i i haven't

2248
01:19:03,750 --> 01:19:01,520
found anyone who's you know and and

2249
01:19:07,110 --> 01:19:03,760
everyone i've i've spoken with

2250
01:19:08,870 --> 01:19:07,120
um in the us government if

2251
01:19:10,229 --> 01:19:08,880
such a thing as a galactic federation

2252
01:19:11,270 --> 01:19:10,239
exists they're different they've done a

2253
01:19:14,390 --> 01:19:11,280
great job

2254
01:19:16,630 --> 01:19:14,400
keeping that secret um that was star

2255
01:19:20,229 --> 01:19:16,640
wars wasn't it wasn't it star wars or

2256
01:19:21,990 --> 01:19:20,239
i i think harry potter yeah right

2257
01:19:23,990 --> 01:19:22,000
and it's one of these things where you

2258
01:19:25,030 --> 01:19:24,000
know it plays on our hopes and dreams

2259
01:19:26,870 --> 01:19:25,040
and what you know what i

2260
01:19:28,149 --> 01:19:26,880
that would be great you know i've told

2261
01:19:30,550 --> 01:19:28,159
people i have no

2262
01:19:31,910 --> 01:19:30,560
problem saying is that i'm very cautious

2263
01:19:32,950 --> 01:19:31,920
as to say what are my feelings or

2264
01:19:34,630 --> 01:19:32,960
opinions or

2265
01:19:36,310 --> 01:19:34,640
hopes and dreams as opposed to what i

2266
01:19:37,750 --> 01:19:36,320
put on which i just try

2267
01:19:39,350 --> 01:19:37,760
i try to present it just like it was a

2268
01:19:41,590 --> 01:19:39,360
case i was going to take to court

2269
01:19:42,790 --> 01:19:41,600
in policing and i'd swear on stand is

2270
01:19:46,070 --> 01:19:42,800
the truth

2271
01:19:50,070 --> 01:19:46,080
but if you talk about hopes and dreams

2272
01:19:51,669 --> 01:19:50,080
i hope all this stuff is alien because

2273
01:19:53,110 --> 01:19:51,679
human beings have this really distinct

2274
01:19:55,110 --> 01:19:53,120
ability that when we

2275
01:19:57,110 --> 01:19:55,120
know something's possible we end up

2276
01:19:57,990 --> 01:19:57,120
doing it and so i want to travel the

2277
01:20:00,470 --> 01:19:58,000
cosmos

2278
01:20:01,430 --> 01:20:00,480
i want to zip around the solar system

2279
01:20:03,830 --> 01:20:01,440
you know that i

2280
01:20:05,510 --> 01:20:03,840
i want to do that and so i hope it's

2281
01:20:09,030 --> 01:20:05,520
alien and so i don't know

2282
01:20:09,669 --> 01:20:09,040
how much if uh and his name escapes me

2283
01:20:12,950 --> 01:20:09,679
right now

2284
01:20:14,229 --> 01:20:12,960
i'm i think it's a psalm but he um

2285
01:20:16,310 --> 01:20:14,239
i don't know how much of that is kind of

2286
01:20:17,189 --> 01:20:16,320
his hopes and dreams mixed in with maybe

2287
01:20:20,470 --> 01:20:17,199
a little truth

2288
01:20:22,070 --> 01:20:20,480
in terms of the idea that indeed there's

2289
01:20:24,950 --> 01:20:22,080
uh there's definitely something more

2290
01:20:27,350 --> 01:20:24,960
legit to the idea of ufos

2291
01:20:29,110 --> 01:20:27,360
not representing being something very

2292
01:20:30,629 --> 01:20:29,120
complex that that

2293
01:20:31,990 --> 01:20:30,639
even some of the most sophisticated

2294
01:20:33,110 --> 01:20:32,000
militaries in the world don't have an

2295
01:20:36,470 --> 01:20:33,120
answer for it

2296
01:20:39,590 --> 01:20:36,480
right right um i was trying to

2297
01:20:40,310 --> 01:20:39,600
ask questions the chat's kind of messed

2298
01:20:42,629 --> 01:20:40,320
up a little bit i

2299
01:20:44,310 --> 01:20:42,639
i have one after this but uh all right

2300
01:20:46,470 --> 01:20:44,320
so this is by neil again

2301
01:20:48,310 --> 01:20:46,480
doesn't the highest chief of staff only

2302
01:20:50,790 --> 01:20:48,320
now being briefed mean

2303
01:20:51,910 --> 01:20:50,800
black budget programs and uap data has

2304
01:20:54,950 --> 01:20:51,920
never been

2305
01:20:56,310 --> 01:20:54,960
under their control which uh i believe

2306
01:20:58,790 --> 01:20:56,320
that is

2307
01:21:01,510 --> 01:20:58,800
so any of the you know any anything that

2308
01:21:04,550 --> 01:21:01,520
goes private is not under congressional

2309
01:21:06,709 --> 01:21:04,560
uh oversight basically right sure

2310
01:21:08,550 --> 01:21:06,719
i mean and that has always been the the

2311
01:21:09,750 --> 01:21:08,560
most intriguing aspect of all of this

2312
01:21:13,110 --> 01:21:09,760
and this is where

2313
01:21:14,070 --> 01:21:13,120
uh i'm willing to let's say jump into

2314
01:21:16,229 --> 01:21:14,080
the rabbit hole

2315
01:21:17,510 --> 01:21:16,239
of conspiracy to an extent of some

2316
01:21:20,629 --> 01:21:17,520
people

2317
01:21:24,070 --> 01:21:20,639
is that i mean twofold here is i

2318
01:21:25,510 --> 01:21:24,080
do and it's it's when you talk to some

2319
01:21:28,470 --> 01:21:25,520
of the people working in government

2320
01:21:29,990 --> 01:21:28,480
and everything who have been privy to

2321
01:21:31,510 --> 01:21:30,000
this type of stuff or there's

2322
01:21:32,870 --> 01:21:31,520
there's one individual i really really

2323
01:21:34,390 --> 01:21:32,880
pray i try to get him before this

2324
01:21:37,189 --> 01:21:34,400
article to come out on the record

2325
01:21:38,310 --> 01:21:37,199
um he won't i understand why at this

2326
01:21:41,910 --> 01:21:38,320
point in time

2327
01:21:43,590 --> 01:21:41,920
uh but he is a um he's a former senior

2328
01:21:44,310 --> 01:21:43,600
advisor to the white house for general

2329
01:21:47,350 --> 01:21:44,320
mattis

2330
01:21:49,030 --> 01:21:47,360
um he was briefed by louis lozando on

2331
01:21:51,030 --> 01:21:49,040
multiple occasions and so he was like

2332
01:21:54,310 --> 01:21:51,040
the first one who's like

2333
01:21:55,830 --> 01:21:54,320
and he point blank told me after um

2334
01:21:58,470 --> 01:21:55,840
the intercept article last year the

2335
01:22:00,310 --> 01:21:58,480
pentagon denied it he um

2336
01:22:01,510 --> 01:22:00,320
he said he called public affairs and was

2337
01:22:02,470 --> 01:22:01,520
like what the hell are you people

2338
01:22:04,629 --> 01:22:02,480
talking about

2339
01:22:05,990 --> 01:22:04,639
i was briefed by this i was read into

2340
01:22:10,070 --> 01:22:06,000
this why are you saying

2341
01:22:13,110 --> 01:22:10,080
this like i was there um

2342
01:22:14,629 --> 01:22:13,120
and so you know i i hear

2343
01:22:16,310 --> 01:22:14,639
this side of it and you learn the

2344
01:22:17,830 --> 01:22:16,320
bureaucratic side of it and one of the

2345
01:22:18,629 --> 01:22:17,840
things that was really compelling and

2346
01:22:21,910 --> 01:22:18,639
interesting for me

2347
01:22:24,390 --> 01:22:21,920
and him was because he was the man there

2348
01:22:25,910 --> 01:22:24,400
for mattis so you've heard louis lozando

2349
01:22:27,270 --> 01:22:25,920
say he quit out of frustration because

2350
01:22:28,950 --> 01:22:27,280
he couldn't get to mattis

2351
01:22:30,790 --> 01:22:28,960
well here you know here's the inner

2352
01:22:32,070 --> 01:22:30,800
circle him and two other advisors who

2353
01:22:33,510 --> 01:22:32,080
were the people being briefed who

2354
01:22:36,870 --> 01:22:33,520
weren't going to matter

2355
01:22:39,990 --> 01:22:36,880
and uh when i found out the reasons why

2356
01:22:40,550 --> 01:22:40,000
you you go oh god that makes perfect

2357
01:22:42,149 --> 01:22:40,560
sense

2358
01:22:43,990 --> 01:22:42,159
like there's not a conspiracy or cover

2359
01:22:46,550 --> 01:22:44,000
up you realize that uh

2360
01:22:48,870 --> 01:22:46,560
human beings are human beings as in in

2361
01:22:50,149 --> 01:22:48,880
2017 when this was going on you just

2362
01:22:52,470 --> 01:22:50,159
faced an entire presidential

2363
01:22:53,910 --> 01:22:52,480
administration change a administration

2364
01:22:56,709 --> 01:22:53,920
changed it was chaotic and

2365
01:22:58,470 --> 01:22:56,719
frankly never resumed anything that's

2366
01:23:01,510 --> 01:22:58,480
resembled

2367
01:23:02,870 --> 01:23:01,520
an effective government uh

2368
01:23:04,470 --> 01:23:02,880
for the preceding four years in my

2369
01:23:07,110 --> 01:23:04,480
opinion you had a lot i mean that was

2370
01:23:09,030 --> 01:23:07,120
lamented in my report were you

2371
01:23:10,310 --> 01:23:09,040
the somebody running the task force

2372
01:23:12,470 --> 01:23:10,320
saying you know

2373
01:23:13,830 --> 01:23:12,480
there's been you know four different

2374
01:23:15,430 --> 01:23:13,840
secretaries of the navy and

2375
01:23:17,030 --> 01:23:15,440
three different secretaries of defense

2376
01:23:18,070 --> 01:23:17,040
in this time we can't get on the same

2377
01:23:20,070 --> 01:23:18,080
page on anything because you're

2378
01:23:21,910 --> 01:23:20,080
constantly just briefing people

2379
01:23:23,669 --> 01:23:21,920
so you realize oh wow these these things

2380
01:23:25,430 --> 01:23:23,679
are mundane and i've always said in

2381
01:23:29,189 --> 01:23:25,440
terms of the

2382
01:23:31,590 --> 01:23:29,199
ufo quote cover-up maybe willful apathy

2383
01:23:32,310 --> 01:23:31,600
would be a good term because if you want

2384
01:23:35,669 --> 01:23:32,320
to tell

2385
01:23:36,149 --> 01:23:35,679
if you want me to believe that the idea

2386
01:23:38,229 --> 01:23:36,159
that

2387
01:23:39,590 --> 01:23:38,239
somebody who's got four stars on their

2388
01:23:41,510 --> 01:23:39,600
shoulder they have reached the

2389
01:23:43,110 --> 01:23:41,520
pinnacle of their career they're like

2390
01:23:44,790 --> 01:23:43,120
three four years from retirement

2391
01:23:47,110 --> 01:23:44,800
and they have arrived you know something

2392
01:23:48,470 --> 01:23:47,120
that started when they were in rotc at

2393
01:23:49,350 --> 01:23:48,480
high school and when they went to west

2394
01:23:52,229 --> 01:23:49,360
point like this

2395
01:23:52,550 --> 01:23:52,239
is it and you come to them and say you

2396
01:23:54,550 --> 01:23:52,560
know

2397
01:23:55,669 --> 01:23:54,560
sir ma'am here goes all this information

2398
01:23:57,510 --> 01:23:55,679
we got

2399
01:23:59,430 --> 01:23:57,520
this is nuts we don't know how to defend

2400
01:24:03,430 --> 01:23:59,440
it it's not attacking us

2401
01:24:05,830 --> 01:24:03,440
but it is i can absolutely

2402
01:24:06,950 --> 01:24:05,840
see somebody in that position going i

2403
01:24:09,910 --> 01:24:06,960
believe you

2404
01:24:10,229 --> 01:24:09,920
that sounds crazy and incredible and i'm

2405
01:24:12,629 --> 01:24:10,239
gonna

2406
01:24:15,430 --> 01:24:12,639
leave that for the next guy or girl i

2407
01:24:17,189 --> 01:24:15,440
think that's been going on since 1947

2408
01:24:18,550 --> 01:24:17,199
yes because it's just like i don't know

2409
01:24:21,350 --> 01:24:18,560
how like this is

2410
01:24:22,470 --> 01:24:21,360
not what my career was built on and

2411
01:24:24,629 --> 01:24:22,480
learning how to

2412
01:24:26,390 --> 01:24:24,639
attack or how to deal with and so i'm

2413
01:24:28,950 --> 01:24:26,400
going to leave it for somebody else

2414
01:24:29,990 --> 01:24:28,960
but at the same time i think there's

2415
01:24:31,669 --> 01:24:30,000
potential and we saw that

2416
01:24:33,590 --> 01:24:31,679
when i did the report in popular

2417
01:24:36,790 --> 01:24:33,600
mechanics on how awesome

2418
01:24:38,709 --> 01:24:36,800
was ran with with bass uh it was

2419
01:24:40,470 --> 01:24:38,719
fascinating that they ran it like what

2420
01:24:41,830 --> 01:24:40,480
i'm typically can

2421
01:24:43,350 --> 01:24:41,840
i'm familiar with are what's called

2422
01:24:44,229 --> 01:24:43,360
carve outs they're usually used in

2423
01:24:46,629 --> 01:24:44,239
covert

2424
01:24:47,430 --> 01:24:46,639
intelligence programs where you you form

2425
01:24:49,830 --> 01:24:47,440
an entire

2426
01:24:51,110 --> 01:24:49,840
shell company and you hide the true

2427
01:24:54,070 --> 01:24:51,120
purpose of the company

2428
01:24:55,669 --> 01:24:54,080
and what's actually going on and so the

2429
01:24:57,189 --> 01:24:55,679
actual product and work that you're

2430
01:24:59,669 --> 01:24:57,199
really interested in

2431
01:25:00,629 --> 01:24:59,679
is considered proprietary because

2432
01:25:02,870 --> 01:25:00,639
proprietary

2433
01:25:04,310 --> 01:25:02,880
is exempt from foia it's exempt from the

2434
01:25:07,270 --> 01:25:04,320
actual the federal government

2435
01:25:10,070 --> 01:25:07,280
is legally prevented from releasing

2436
01:25:12,310 --> 01:25:10,080
proprietary information

2437
01:25:14,070 --> 01:25:12,320
so they can't it belongs to those

2438
01:25:15,990 --> 01:25:14,080
companies but yet the information they

2439
01:25:19,030 --> 01:25:16,000
want is housing those companies

2440
01:25:20,310 --> 01:25:19,040
so there has been times in talking to

2441
01:25:21,270 --> 01:25:20,320
people and dealing with this that i

2442
01:25:24,470 --> 01:25:21,280
wonder

2443
01:25:26,709 --> 01:25:24,480
if at one point in time um

2444
01:25:27,990 --> 01:25:26,719
that considerable more information or

2445
01:25:30,629 --> 01:25:28,000
you hear people talk about

2446
01:25:32,229 --> 01:25:30,639
crash wreckage that type of stuff if

2447
01:25:34,470 --> 01:25:32,239
indeed that exists

2448
01:25:36,629 --> 01:25:34,480
i i truly believe that that was

2449
01:25:39,590 --> 01:25:36,639
something that for reasons i don't know

2450
01:25:41,910 --> 01:25:39,600
our reasons for extreme security was

2451
01:25:45,430 --> 01:25:41,920
transferred into private industry

2452
01:25:47,910 --> 01:25:45,440
uh personnel and uh you know

2453
01:25:49,270 --> 01:25:47,920
it's no secret i've mentioned this on

2454
01:25:50,790 --> 01:25:49,280
numerous occasions that

2455
01:25:52,229 --> 01:25:50,800
probably the prime suspect for me would

2456
01:25:53,590 --> 01:25:52,239
have been the atomic energy commission

2457
01:25:55,669 --> 01:25:53,600
which later became the department of

2458
01:25:58,629 --> 01:25:55,679
energy because it was a totally civilian

2459
01:26:01,590 --> 01:25:58,639
organic organization and so when it was

2460
01:26:04,390 --> 01:26:01,600
adopted as a federal organization

2461
01:26:06,070 --> 01:26:04,400
be very easy to just transfer that stuff

2462
01:26:08,629 --> 01:26:06,080
into a civilian component

2463
01:26:10,870 --> 01:26:08,639
and and so i wonder even with the modern

2464
01:26:11,590 --> 01:26:10,880
news when we see this we're like how can

2465
01:26:14,550 --> 01:26:11,600
the government

2466
01:26:15,270 --> 01:26:14,560
not know more or how can they not seem

2467
01:26:17,430 --> 01:26:15,280
like they know

2468
01:26:19,350 --> 01:26:17,440
more they've been involved with this for

2469
01:26:21,430 --> 01:26:19,360
so many years and i mean they've got

2470
01:26:22,790 --> 01:26:21,440
all these classified and sophisticated

2471
01:26:25,590 --> 01:26:22,800
systems

2472
01:26:27,030 --> 01:26:25,600
i wonder how much the government itself

2473
01:26:29,990 --> 01:26:27,040
is a bit hapless

2474
01:26:31,430 --> 01:26:30,000
to what potentially is being housed in

2475
01:26:34,870 --> 01:26:31,440
um

2476
01:26:38,070 --> 01:26:34,880
private industry they don't have access

2477
01:26:38,629 --> 01:26:38,080
and that's uh you know if indeed that's

2478
01:26:40,310 --> 01:26:38,639
the case

2479
01:26:42,310 --> 01:26:40,320
it opens up a whole it's kind of like

2480
01:26:43,510 --> 01:26:42,320
when they talk about the usos there's a

2481
01:26:47,110 --> 01:26:43,520
whole new

2482
01:26:49,350 --> 01:26:47,120
dynamic and component to this because

2483
01:26:50,550 --> 01:26:49,360
there is not the same oversight there is

2484
01:26:51,669 --> 01:26:50,560
not the same

2485
01:26:53,830 --> 01:26:51,679
as you want to talk about the men in

2486
01:26:55,590 --> 01:26:53,840
black or all of these different things

2487
01:26:57,910 --> 01:26:55,600
that people talk about harassment

2488
01:26:59,990 --> 01:26:57,920
counterintelligence disinfo

2489
01:27:02,470 --> 01:27:00,000
there's just tons and tons and tons of

2490
01:27:04,550 --> 01:27:02,480
regulation at the u.s government level

2491
01:27:06,310 --> 01:27:04,560
that make red tape and difficult private

2492
01:27:07,830 --> 01:27:06,320
industry

2493
01:27:09,990 --> 01:27:07,840
no problems they can do whatever they

2494
01:27:12,950 --> 01:27:10,000
want and so

2495
01:27:14,310 --> 01:27:12,960
do you think do you think the do you

2496
01:27:16,709 --> 01:27:14,320
think the government knows

2497
01:27:19,030 --> 01:27:16,719
a lot more than the rest of us or do you

2498
01:27:22,149 --> 01:27:19,040
think they know a little more or

2499
01:27:25,910 --> 01:27:22,159
not anything more than the rest of us

2500
01:27:28,950 --> 01:27:25,920
about what i think what is going on

2501
01:27:32,229 --> 01:27:28,960
i think they know a lot more i do

2502
01:27:34,709 --> 01:27:32,239
that doesn't mean that i say that in

2503
01:27:37,830 --> 01:27:34,719
saying i don't know that they know

2504
01:27:40,709 --> 01:27:37,840
what i think that um

2505
01:27:41,990 --> 01:27:40,719
they know a lot more in the sense that

2506
01:27:45,110 --> 01:27:42,000
um

2507
01:27:46,229 --> 01:27:45,120
where the average person maybe easily

2508
01:27:49,590 --> 01:27:46,239
dismisses this

2509
01:27:51,110 --> 01:27:49,600
as just a fringe topic and just kind of

2510
01:27:53,350 --> 01:27:51,120
yeah whatever i mean that that's

2511
01:27:55,189 --> 01:27:53,360
actually the the the social sentiment

2512
01:27:56,470 --> 01:27:55,199
that the topic adopted when blue book

2513
01:27:58,629 --> 01:27:56,480
was closed

2514
01:28:00,229 --> 01:27:58,639
is that oh yeah this is just foue you

2515
01:28:01,669 --> 01:28:00,239
know um

2516
01:28:03,270 --> 01:28:01,679
you know there's nothing to this and

2517
01:28:06,229 --> 01:28:03,280
anybody believes in that is just

2518
01:28:08,229 --> 01:28:06,239
you know on the fringe you know

2519
01:28:11,830 --> 01:28:08,239
criticized and stigmatized

2520
01:28:14,470 --> 01:28:11,840
um however nobody actually like

2521
01:28:15,510 --> 01:28:14,480
happened to mention that to whatever

2522
01:28:17,750 --> 01:28:15,520
these objects are

2523
01:28:19,030 --> 01:28:17,760
because it's very very fascinating to

2524
01:28:21,030 --> 01:28:19,040
look at kind of the data for the

2525
01:28:23,990 --> 01:28:21,040
civilian agencies who continued

2526
01:28:25,669 --> 01:28:24,000
examining this post 1969 because their

2527
01:28:27,669 --> 01:28:25,679
data is

2528
01:28:29,510 --> 01:28:27,679
totally consistent with what blue book

2529
01:28:31,030 --> 01:28:29,520
was saying in terms of unknowns

2530
01:28:33,030 --> 01:28:31,040
or myths of identifications of the

2531
01:28:36,470 --> 01:28:33,040
number sightings

2532
01:28:38,310 --> 01:28:36,480
so that's been consistent and so i think

2533
01:28:42,310 --> 01:28:38,320
that they know

2534
01:28:43,990 --> 01:28:42,320
more and i think that possibly i mean i

2535
01:28:45,990 --> 01:28:44,000
i would gather they probably know a lot

2536
01:28:49,189 --> 01:28:46,000
more in terms of

2537
01:28:51,590 --> 01:28:49,199
uh being able to really validate that

2538
01:28:53,350 --> 01:28:51,600
like this is really something going on

2539
01:28:55,030 --> 01:28:53,360
because of the some of the systems and

2540
01:28:56,950 --> 01:28:55,040
things that they have in place

2541
01:28:58,709 --> 01:28:56,960
that just the public doesn't have access

2542
01:29:02,229 --> 01:28:58,719
to um

2543
01:29:03,750 --> 01:29:02,239
yeah and then my mom the strange thing

2544
01:29:07,590 --> 01:29:03,760
about that

2545
01:29:11,669 --> 01:29:07,600
is um

2546
01:29:13,110 --> 01:29:11,679
how does it move then from one

2547
01:29:15,030 --> 01:29:13,120
uh let's say i don't want to say

2548
01:29:17,590 --> 01:29:15,040
generation but

2549
01:29:18,390 --> 01:29:17,600
let's just say i'm not gonna i'm not

2550
01:29:20,310 --> 01:29:18,400
saying this is

2551
01:29:22,550 --> 01:29:20,320
what happened but let's just say they

2552
01:29:26,310 --> 01:29:22,560
did have crash retrieval from

2553
01:29:28,229 --> 01:29:26,320
roswell back in 1947. how does

2554
01:29:31,430 --> 01:29:28,239
the uh what do you want to call the

2555
01:29:33,910 --> 01:29:31,440
chain of custody or how does

2556
01:29:35,110 --> 01:29:33,920
of the documents or whatever i mean it

2557
01:29:38,229 --> 01:29:35,120
just such a puzzle

2558
01:29:40,790 --> 01:29:38,239
i i never had any insight

2559
01:29:42,229 --> 01:29:40,800
thoughts on that well and and this is

2560
01:29:43,350 --> 01:29:42,239
what's interesting when you look at

2561
01:29:44,629 --> 01:29:43,360
extreme secrecy

2562
01:29:47,350 --> 01:29:44,639
in anything and so we're not talking

2563
01:29:49,270 --> 01:29:47,360
about ufos but in extreme secrecy we're

2564
01:29:50,709 --> 01:29:49,280
in terms of compartmentalization

2565
01:29:52,310 --> 01:29:50,719
uh a good example that i often tell

2566
01:29:53,350 --> 01:29:52,320
people to look at you can google search

2567
01:29:55,030 --> 01:29:53,360
it you'll get some little

2568
01:29:56,790 --> 01:29:55,040
limited information is look up something

2569
01:29:59,910 --> 01:29:56,800
called fog bank

2570
01:30:02,629 --> 01:29:59,920
like fog bank

2571
01:30:04,950 --> 01:30:02,639
fog bank is a still classified very top

2572
01:30:07,350 --> 01:30:04,960
secret substance used in

2573
01:30:08,709 --> 01:30:07,360
all of the united states nuclear weapons

2574
01:30:11,990 --> 01:30:08,719
whatever this component

2575
01:30:15,350 --> 01:30:12,000
is um is evidently a necessity in

2576
01:30:16,070 --> 01:30:15,360
u.s nuclear weapons um a couple of years

2577
01:30:17,510 --> 01:30:16,080
ago

2578
01:30:19,910 --> 01:30:17,520
you know somebody was like hey i think

2579
01:30:20,709 --> 01:30:19,920
we probably need to replace our fog bank

2580
01:30:23,910 --> 01:30:20,719
and our weapons

2581
01:30:27,590 --> 01:30:23,920
it's aging we've had it for a while

2582
01:30:30,709 --> 01:30:27,600
and the department of energy realized

2583
01:30:33,910 --> 01:30:30,719
holy crap none of us know how

2584
01:30:34,550 --> 01:30:33,920
to make fog bank none of us know exactly

2585
01:30:36,470 --> 01:30:34,560
what it is

2586
01:30:38,790 --> 01:30:36,480
because it was so uber classified you

2587
01:30:40,229 --> 01:30:38,800
had such a small group of people that

2588
01:30:41,910 --> 01:30:40,239
were working on it developed in the

2589
01:30:43,350 --> 01:30:41,920
first place the laboratories in which

2590
01:30:44,950 --> 01:30:43,360
they were developed were now closed

2591
01:30:47,350 --> 01:30:44,960
those individuals who originally worked

2592
01:30:48,629 --> 01:30:47,360
on it were either now had passed away or

2593
01:30:52,550 --> 01:30:48,639
were no longer in government

2594
01:30:54,709 --> 01:30:52,560
so you had this weird instance where

2595
01:30:57,189 --> 01:30:54,719
you know people are trying to figure out

2596
01:31:00,830 --> 01:30:57,199
what do we do for fog bank

2597
01:31:04,229 --> 01:31:00,840
um how do we make it and

2598
01:31:06,790 --> 01:31:04,239
uh that's a good example of how

2599
01:31:08,149 --> 01:31:06,800
extreme compartmentalized secrecy

2600
01:31:11,270 --> 01:31:08,159
frankly

2601
01:31:11,910 --> 01:31:11,280
um can get lost in the system for lack

2602
01:31:14,950 --> 01:31:11,920
of a better

2603
01:31:16,950 --> 01:31:14,960
term um i think

2604
01:31:17,990 --> 01:31:16,960
frank you know i'll be honest with you

2605
01:31:18,950 --> 01:31:18,000
uh

2606
01:31:21,189 --> 01:31:18,960
probably one of the most compelling

2607
01:31:22,390 --> 01:31:21,199
things that i heard and i've mentioned

2608
01:31:24,470 --> 01:31:22,400
this on another

2609
01:31:25,669 --> 01:31:24,480
uh program i never intended to put it

2610
01:31:28,550 --> 01:31:25,679
out publicly because

2611
01:31:30,310 --> 01:31:28,560
i always tell you it's just a good story

2612
01:31:32,390 --> 01:31:30,320
i don't have any proof behind it and i'm

2613
01:31:33,030 --> 01:31:32,400
very cautious to share stories because

2614
01:31:36,310 --> 01:31:33,040
they

2615
01:31:39,030 --> 01:31:36,320
can take a life of their own and kind of

2616
01:31:40,070 --> 01:31:39,040
the the stitch mutant narrative begins

2617
01:31:42,229 --> 01:31:40,080
to build and so i

2618
01:31:43,270 --> 01:31:42,239
continuously caveat this it's just a

2619
01:31:48,790 --> 01:31:43,280
story

2620
01:31:50,870 --> 01:31:48,800
while going through all the interviews

2621
01:31:52,550 --> 01:31:50,880
and talking a lot of people during the

2622
01:31:54,229 --> 01:31:52,560
the popular mechanics article i released

2623
01:31:56,830 --> 01:31:54,239
in february was

2624
01:31:58,070 --> 01:31:56,840
you know i was told that yeah the the

2625
01:32:04,709 --> 01:31:58,080
the

2626
01:32:08,229 --> 01:32:04,719
something uh you know in 1947

2627
01:32:09,830 --> 01:32:08,239
um there were occupants and i'm

2628
01:32:11,590 --> 01:32:09,840
giving exactly what was said to me so

2629
01:32:13,270 --> 01:32:11,600
i'm not paraphrasing or kind of take

2630
01:32:15,590 --> 01:32:13,280
i'm not trying to take anything away

2631
01:32:18,470 --> 01:32:15,600
here they said there were occupants

2632
01:32:18,709 --> 01:32:18,480
that these occupants um it was there was

2633
01:32:43,590 --> 01:32:18,719
a

2634
01:32:45,910 --> 01:32:43,600
component of this

2635
01:32:47,990 --> 01:32:45,920
was so beyond our own paradigm of

2636
01:32:50,470 --> 01:32:48,000
scientific understanding and knowledge

2637
01:32:52,229 --> 01:32:50,480
that the decision was made just like the

2638
01:32:55,590 --> 01:32:52,239
raiders of the lost ark

2639
01:32:58,470 --> 01:32:55,600
to put it up and just file it away

2640
01:32:59,510 --> 01:32:58,480
somewhere until until we reach the point

2641
01:33:01,189 --> 01:32:59,520
that we possess

2642
01:33:03,030 --> 01:33:01,199
the the scientific understanding and

2643
01:33:05,830 --> 01:33:03,040
knowledge to do something with it

2644
01:33:07,669 --> 01:33:05,840
uh that sounds crazy so you think it's

2645
01:33:10,790 --> 01:33:07,679
just like in raiders of the lost ark

2646
01:33:13,510 --> 01:33:10,800
and crates in some big warehouse it's

2647
01:33:15,110 --> 01:33:13,520
it sounds nuts but if you but but you

2648
01:33:17,430 --> 01:33:15,120
have to look at it in context and

2649
01:33:19,590 --> 01:33:17,440
realize that if indeed that's true

2650
01:33:21,189 --> 01:33:19,600
um you're looking at the the united

2651
01:33:22,149 --> 01:33:21,199
states we're in the middle of a cold war

2652
01:33:25,030 --> 01:33:22,159
with russia

2653
01:33:25,350 --> 01:33:25,040
and not sound like tom belong here uh

2654
01:33:27,510 --> 01:33:25,360
and

2655
01:33:29,430 --> 01:33:27,520
i'm not saying we found a life form but

2656
01:33:31,189 --> 01:33:29,440
where you know a cold war where you have

2657
01:33:33,350 --> 01:33:31,199
to mitigate

2658
01:33:35,430 --> 01:33:33,360
the the the money that you want to spend

2659
01:33:37,350 --> 01:33:35,440
on research and develop on something if

2660
01:33:39,110 --> 01:33:37,360
if you generally believe that you do not

2661
01:33:41,030 --> 01:33:39,120
possess the scientific

2662
01:33:42,870 --> 01:33:41,040
ability to really make a breakthrough

2663
01:33:44,229 --> 01:33:42,880
saying we could spend our entire defense

2664
01:33:45,030 --> 01:33:44,239
budget on this but we wouldn't

2665
01:33:46,550 --> 01:33:45,040
understand it

2666
01:33:48,470 --> 01:33:46,560
and while we're doing that russia is

2667
01:33:51,750 --> 01:33:48,480
building bombers russia's building

2668
01:33:52,470 --> 01:33:51,760
subs and so the decision is just kind of

2669
01:33:55,750 --> 01:33:52,480
made

2670
01:33:58,390 --> 01:33:55,760
let's shelve it uh that's not

2671
01:33:59,910 --> 01:33:58,400
crazy and in fact that happened when

2672
01:34:01,669 --> 01:33:59,920
when ben rich when they developed

2673
01:34:05,830 --> 01:34:01,679
stealth technology in the

2674
01:34:07,510 --> 01:34:05,840
late 1970s they um

2675
01:34:09,430 --> 01:34:07,520
you know they looked at it and said we

2676
01:34:10,550 --> 01:34:09,440
know it works but we don't understand

2677
01:34:12,229 --> 01:34:10,560
why yet

2678
01:34:13,669 --> 01:34:12,239
and so they had to make the decision do

2679
01:34:17,430 --> 01:34:13,679
we develop it

2680
01:34:19,669 --> 01:34:17,440
and not understanding how it works or

2681
01:34:21,030 --> 01:34:19,679
or do we just shelve it until we know

2682
01:34:23,990 --> 01:34:21,040
more and then run the risk

2683
01:34:25,030 --> 01:34:24,000
of uh an adversary developing stealth

2684
01:34:28,070 --> 01:34:25,040
technology first

2685
01:34:29,830 --> 01:34:28,080
so i mean these decisions of when you

2686
01:34:32,070 --> 01:34:29,840
make a breakthrough but maybe you don't

2687
01:34:33,750 --> 01:34:32,080
understand enough of it

2688
01:34:36,870 --> 01:34:33,760
that goes on and all of this stuff i

2689
01:34:39,189 --> 01:34:36,880
mean there's assuredly

2690
01:34:41,270 --> 01:34:39,199
an innumerable number of different types

2691
01:34:44,470 --> 01:34:41,280
of military platforms who have

2692
01:34:46,470 --> 01:34:44,480
made it to the proof of concept stage

2693
01:34:48,709 --> 01:34:46,480
one of them has been made they fly it

2694
01:34:50,870 --> 01:34:48,719
out to area 51 or

2695
01:34:52,550 --> 01:34:50,880
san clemente or somewhere show it off

2696
01:34:54,870 --> 01:34:52,560
and the military goes yeah that's pretty

2697
01:34:57,350 --> 01:34:54,880
cool but the cost risk you know what we

2698
01:35:00,070 --> 01:34:57,360
need in terms of global scale it's just

2699
01:35:00,550 --> 01:35:00,080
not beneficial to us and it gets tabled

2700
01:35:03,750 --> 01:35:00,560
shell

2701
01:35:06,629 --> 01:35:03,760
put away um you know

2702
01:35:08,070 --> 01:35:06,639
to bring out another day and so it this

2703
01:35:09,669 --> 01:35:08,080
actually happens a lot

2704
01:35:11,669 --> 01:35:09,679
in in the government research and

2705
01:35:13,510 --> 01:35:11,679
acquisitions um

2706
01:35:15,109 --> 01:35:13,520
not saying that that's what's happened

2707
01:35:16,709 --> 01:35:15,119
here but it'd be

2708
01:35:17,669 --> 01:35:16,719
when i heard that it was interesting

2709
01:35:19,910 --> 01:35:17,679
because i thought it was one of the

2710
01:35:21,830 --> 01:35:19,920
first times that maybe

2711
01:35:22,950 --> 01:35:21,840
i'd heard something that was the most

2712
01:35:25,189 --> 01:35:22,960
logical

2713
01:35:27,030 --> 01:35:25,199
that possibly you could recover

2714
01:35:28,629 --> 01:35:27,040
something and that would explain

2715
01:35:30,629 --> 01:35:28,639
kind of all the cover-up all this

2716
01:35:32,870 --> 01:35:30,639
different you know lack of discussion

2717
01:35:35,270 --> 01:35:32,880
and just weirdness because

2718
01:35:36,470 --> 01:35:35,280
um you know i i've been willing to say

2719
01:35:40,790 --> 01:35:36,480
on record you look at something

2720
01:35:44,070 --> 01:35:42,229
it's still interesting i don't think

2721
01:35:45,750 --> 01:35:44,080
i've found a good answer i don't think

2722
01:35:47,830 --> 01:35:45,760
that the uh

2723
01:35:49,750 --> 01:35:47,840
the mogul balloon answer i think doesn't

2724
01:35:52,310 --> 01:35:49,760
status

2725
01:35:54,550 --> 01:35:52,320
yeah yeah in fact the answer yeah there

2726
01:35:57,510 --> 01:35:54,560
there's there's a lot on that um

2727
01:35:58,229 --> 01:35:57,520
yeah yeah i i don't know exactly what to

2728
01:36:00,790 --> 01:35:58,239
think

2729
01:36:01,910 --> 01:36:00,800
of all that you know i mean i i i've

2730
01:36:05,510 --> 01:36:01,920
always wondered

2731
01:36:08,709 --> 01:36:05,520
as time you know has gone on

2732
01:36:09,990 --> 01:36:08,719
how much do they know uh where do they

2733
01:36:11,430 --> 01:36:10,000
know where they're coming from

2734
01:36:13,350 --> 01:36:11,440
you know that type of thing do you know

2735
01:36:14,149 --> 01:36:13,360
what they want the number one question

2736
01:36:16,229 --> 01:36:14,159
everyone

2737
01:36:17,750 --> 01:36:16,239
wants to know why why are they here what

2738
01:36:20,950 --> 01:36:17,760
do they want those are the

2739
01:36:23,990 --> 01:36:20,960
those are the big questions and uh

2740
01:36:25,270 --> 01:36:24,000
and are they right i mean we may not be

2741
01:36:28,629 --> 01:36:25,280
asking the wrong questions

2742
01:36:31,990 --> 01:36:30,470
yes that touches on two points that i

2743
01:36:32,870 --> 01:36:32,000
try to bring up every time i get a

2744
01:36:36,629 --> 01:36:32,880
chance which is

2745
01:36:39,430 --> 01:36:36,639
one um in my opinion and i've said this

2746
01:36:41,669 --> 01:36:39,440
is that the term ufo unidentified flying

2747
01:36:43,910 --> 01:36:41,679
saucer or object excuse me has always

2748
01:36:47,830 --> 01:36:43,920
been a hindrance to it because

2749
01:36:48,950 --> 01:36:47,840
um you know it is symbolic of the ufo

2750
01:36:52,310 --> 01:36:48,960
topic in general

2751
01:36:54,390 --> 01:36:52,320
if i were to ask you martin do ufos

2752
01:36:55,990 --> 01:36:54,400
fly you go yeah they're in the sky

2753
01:36:57,590 --> 01:36:56,000
they're flying around by a colloquial

2754
01:36:59,350 --> 01:36:57,600
definition you are right

2755
01:37:00,870 --> 01:36:59,360
but in terms of the principles of how we

2756
01:37:02,070 --> 01:37:00,880
understand flight and you talk about the

2757
01:37:03,590 --> 01:37:02,080
right the piece the wright brothers

2758
01:37:05,590 --> 01:37:03,600
plane

2759
01:37:07,189 --> 01:37:05,600
the b-21 raider that's under development

2760
01:37:08,229 --> 01:37:07,199
right now or the b2 stealth bomber

2761
01:37:09,270 --> 01:37:08,239
they're really cool

2762
01:37:11,270 --> 01:37:09,280
they wouldn't fly without these

2763
01:37:12,310 --> 01:37:11,280
sophisticated computer systems but the

2764
01:37:14,790 --> 01:37:12,320
principles of lift

2765
01:37:15,990 --> 01:37:14,800
angle attack drag propulsion that is the

2766
01:37:16,950 --> 01:37:16,000
exact same

2767
01:37:19,030 --> 01:37:16,960
as what you're looking at the wright

2768
01:37:20,229 --> 01:37:19,040
brothers they're not we haven't changed

2769
01:37:24,310 --> 01:37:20,239
the wheel and how we

2770
01:37:27,189 --> 01:37:24,320
achieve flight here um so you haven't

2771
01:37:28,229 --> 01:37:27,199
it's still the same exact principle but

2772
01:37:29,350 --> 01:37:28,239
some of these that are talking about

2773
01:37:31,350 --> 01:37:29,360
we're talking about something

2774
01:37:32,790 --> 01:37:31,360
totally different in terms of how

2775
01:37:36,070 --> 01:37:32,800
they're achieving

2776
01:37:39,350 --> 01:37:36,080
flight here and therefore these objects

2777
01:37:40,870 --> 01:37:39,360
are not flying by how we define flight

2778
01:37:42,629 --> 01:37:40,880
yeah especially when there's never a

2779
01:37:46,070 --> 01:37:42,639
sound barrier broken or you know

2780
01:37:48,870 --> 01:37:46,080
all kinds of you know all kinds of

2781
01:37:49,830 --> 01:37:48,880
yeah and so that to your point you just

2782
01:37:52,070 --> 01:37:49,840
made a mention

2783
01:37:54,470 --> 01:37:52,080
in research when you arrive at a

2784
01:37:55,990 --> 01:37:54,480
conclusion that is both yes and no

2785
01:37:58,470 --> 01:37:56,000
yes it is flying because they're in the

2786
01:37:59,189 --> 01:37:58,480
sky no it is not flying because it does

2787
01:38:02,950 --> 01:37:59,199
not

2788
01:38:05,189 --> 01:38:02,960
uh it comport with how we define flight

2789
01:38:06,550 --> 01:38:05,199
that means that the answer lies beyond

2790
01:38:08,310 --> 01:38:06,560
the hypothesis

2791
01:38:10,229 --> 01:38:08,320
so you haven't asked the right question

2792
01:38:11,750 --> 01:38:10,239
and i think that's still going on it's

2793
01:38:15,189 --> 01:38:11,760
70 years going

2794
01:38:16,950 --> 01:38:15,199
and so um i don't know i mean it's

2795
01:38:18,310 --> 01:38:16,960
and and understand people in government

2796
01:38:22,390 --> 01:38:18,320
are just human beings

2797
01:38:26,550 --> 01:38:22,400
yeah you know they may think they know

2798
01:38:29,430 --> 01:38:26,560
they may you know you think that

2799
01:38:31,189 --> 01:38:29,440
and the unknown is a scary thing imagine

2800
01:38:32,310 --> 01:38:31,199
not knowing but yet having at your

2801
01:38:35,189 --> 01:38:32,320
fingertips

2802
01:38:36,870 --> 01:38:35,199
the most like i can zoom in they wanted

2803
01:38:38,629 --> 01:38:36,880
to they could zoom in my window right

2804
01:38:40,470 --> 01:38:38,639
now and be listening to our conversation

2805
01:38:42,870 --> 01:38:40,480
but you have that technology

2806
01:38:44,149 --> 01:38:42,880
and then go just like the rest of us i

2807
01:38:45,669 --> 01:38:44,159
know it's real

2808
01:38:47,510 --> 01:38:45,679
but i don't know what the heck it is

2809
01:38:50,550 --> 01:38:47,520
like that's more scary to me

2810
01:38:52,149 --> 01:38:50,560
if so their side of it i i i don't know

2811
01:38:52,709 --> 01:38:52,159
but i think of it from that perspective

2812
01:38:56,070 --> 01:38:52,719
and think

2813
01:38:59,189 --> 01:38:56,080
uh that's kind of a chaotic position

2814
01:39:00,790 --> 01:38:59,199
we want them to know though really yeah

2815
01:39:02,870 --> 01:39:00,800
yeah we'd want to feel a little bit of

2816
01:39:05,109 --> 01:39:02,880
some type of safety in a way

2817
01:39:07,109 --> 01:39:05,119
what about people always bring up this

2818
01:39:09,510 --> 01:39:07,119
um when they're talking about

2819
01:39:10,790 --> 01:39:09,520
military they think the black the big

2820
01:39:13,030 --> 01:39:10,800
black triangles

2821
01:39:14,390 --> 01:39:13,040
not in particular like the well it's

2822
01:39:15,669 --> 01:39:14,400
hard to tell the size of the one that

2823
01:39:19,590 --> 01:39:15,679
was in that

2824
01:39:21,669 --> 01:39:19,600
rendition but the black triangles people

2825
01:39:23,109 --> 01:39:21,679
a lot of people are saying you know we

2826
01:39:25,350 --> 01:39:23,119
must have figured out how to do

2827
01:39:28,390 --> 01:39:25,360
anti-gravity and blah blah blah

2828
01:39:30,470 --> 01:39:28,400
uh it's military and even

2829
01:39:31,750 --> 01:39:30,480
even uh there was one particular guest i

2830
01:39:33,590 --> 01:39:31,760
had that

2831
01:39:35,350 --> 01:39:33,600
i said to him well you know some of them

2832
01:39:36,229 --> 01:39:35,360
have been reported to be up to a mile

2833
01:39:38,629 --> 01:39:36,239
wide even

2834
01:39:40,149 --> 01:39:38,639
larger possibly and where would they

2835
01:39:41,430 --> 01:39:40,159
house something like that and they had a

2836
01:39:42,310 --> 01:39:41,440
ques you know they had an answer for

2837
01:39:44,070 --> 01:39:42,320
everything

2838
01:39:46,229 --> 01:39:44,080
do you think that's possible that we

2839
01:39:48,310 --> 01:39:46,239
have these black triangles have anything

2840
01:39:50,550 --> 01:39:48,320
to do with military

2841
01:39:51,669 --> 01:39:50,560
i'm sure that some of the sightings that

2842
01:39:54,390 --> 01:39:51,679
people report

2843
01:39:55,109 --> 01:39:54,400
have to do with military platforms um

2844
01:39:57,750 --> 01:39:55,119
how much of

2845
01:39:59,030 --> 01:39:57,760
i don't know and and the reason there

2846
01:40:01,189 --> 01:39:59,040
begins to also we've

2847
01:40:02,550 --> 01:40:01,199
you got to examine the kind of aerospace

2848
01:40:05,910 --> 01:40:02,560
science behind it

2849
01:40:08,629 --> 01:40:05,920
and so if we had a anti-gravity

2850
01:40:10,310 --> 01:40:08,639
technology let's say um which is a

2851
01:40:11,910 --> 01:40:10,320
buzzword that by the way just

2852
01:40:14,070 --> 01:40:11,920
turns off all aerospace engineers and

2853
01:40:17,030 --> 01:40:14,080
scientists anti-gravity

2854
01:40:17,750 --> 01:40:17,040
poppycock um but it's the best term that

2855
01:40:20,470 --> 01:40:17,760
we have for

2856
01:40:21,590 --> 01:40:20,480
how to achieve propulsion like that um

2857
01:40:23,510 --> 01:40:21,600
you know the first question i would have

2858
01:40:25,830 --> 01:40:23,520
is why put that in a delta shaped wing

2859
01:40:27,430 --> 01:40:25,840
or a flying wing formation the reason

2860
01:40:29,830 --> 01:40:27,440
the stealth bomber is a flying wing and

2861
01:40:31,669 --> 01:40:29,840
these types of things is they hide the

2862
01:40:32,950 --> 01:40:31,679
engines to it inside the wings to cool

2863
01:40:34,070 --> 01:40:32,960
the exhaust it's part of the stealth

2864
01:40:36,629 --> 01:40:34,080
component to it

2865
01:40:38,310 --> 01:40:36,639
but if you have a means of achieving

2866
01:40:39,990 --> 01:40:38,320
lift and propulsion

2867
01:40:41,830 --> 01:40:40,000
you don't necessarily need any kind of

2868
01:40:45,350 --> 01:40:41,840
aerodynamic shape

2869
01:40:48,390 --> 01:40:45,360
in a flying wing pattern um

2870
01:40:49,830 --> 01:40:48,400
and so you know you could kind of again

2871
01:40:51,590 --> 01:40:49,840
you can always play the

2872
01:40:53,030 --> 01:40:51,600
what if what if what if you know if you

2873
01:40:55,189 --> 01:40:53,040
had a system that

2874
01:40:57,510 --> 01:40:55,199
sure is more advanced and maybe it's not

2875
01:40:58,870 --> 01:40:57,520
necessarily anti-gravity but it's got a

2876
01:41:01,910 --> 01:40:58,880
better means and then it

2877
01:41:04,390 --> 01:41:01,920
uses this flying wing shape uh

2878
01:41:06,470 --> 01:41:04,400
to almost act as a glad glider in in

2879
01:41:09,030 --> 01:41:06,480
high altitude situations much like the

2880
01:41:12,310 --> 01:41:09,040
u2 the u2 spy plane is just a big glider

2881
01:41:15,750 --> 01:41:12,320
um and that would make

2882
01:41:18,470 --> 01:41:15,760
sense um but but in truth

2883
01:41:19,990 --> 01:41:18,480
the the you know and how i'm familiar

2884
01:41:22,790 --> 01:41:20,000
with and all the known

2885
01:41:23,990 --> 01:41:22,800
methods of achieving flight the flying

2886
01:41:26,870 --> 01:41:24,000
wing and the delta

2887
01:41:29,030 --> 01:41:26,880
shape is not it's conducive for certain

2888
01:41:32,550 --> 01:41:29,040
platforms but it's not

2889
01:41:35,430 --> 01:41:32,560
the most stable uh flight pattern and in

2890
01:41:37,350 --> 01:41:35,440
fact uh you know when they lost a b2

2891
01:41:40,149 --> 01:41:37,360
a couple years ago in the philippines

2892
01:41:44,229 --> 01:41:40,159
they had a b2 that crashed on takeoff

2893
01:41:47,590 --> 01:41:46,390
that was because moisture got into a

2894
01:41:49,590 --> 01:41:47,600
system

2895
01:41:51,910 --> 01:41:49,600
because though it wouldn't fly without

2896
01:41:53,669 --> 01:41:51,920
these computers that that

2897
01:41:54,870 --> 01:41:53,679
helped stabilize it and do all these

2898
01:41:55,750 --> 01:41:54,880
different things to get it off the

2899
01:41:59,669 --> 01:41:55,760
ground

2900
01:42:01,030 --> 01:41:59,679
and so um that's a long way of saying

2901
01:42:01,590 --> 01:42:01,040
there's still more questions that i

2902
01:42:03,430 --> 01:42:01,600
would

2903
01:42:05,189 --> 01:42:03,440
want to know there because obviously if

2904
01:42:06,470 --> 01:42:05,199
it's not us well then why would somebody

2905
01:42:09,590 --> 01:42:06,480
else use this delta shape

2906
01:42:10,390 --> 01:42:09,600
you know i've had people share me their

2907
01:42:13,109 --> 01:42:10,400
theories

2908
01:42:14,229 --> 01:42:13,119
that that it has to do with energy

2909
01:42:15,669 --> 01:42:14,239
propulsion that it

2910
01:42:17,430 --> 01:42:15,679
actually what you're seeing with these

2911
01:42:19,030 --> 01:42:17,440
triangles or

2912
01:42:20,629 --> 01:42:19,040
you know three or more different

2913
01:42:23,510 --> 01:42:20,639
detached

2914
01:42:25,990 --> 01:42:23,520
probe like things that come together to

2915
01:42:27,669 --> 01:42:26,000
to form a shape for propulsion i don't

2916
01:42:30,470 --> 01:42:27,679
know if that's true

2917
01:42:31,750 --> 01:42:30,480
sounds like a good idea um but i do

2918
01:42:34,950 --> 01:42:31,760
believe i mean

2919
01:42:37,109 --> 01:42:34,960
i when i was still living in georgia i

2920
01:42:38,950 --> 01:42:37,119
lived directly over the flight line from

2921
01:42:41,270 --> 01:42:38,960
fort stewart to hunter army airfield

2922
01:42:43,270 --> 01:42:41,280
and the 160th night stalkers for this

2923
01:42:46,229 --> 01:42:43,280
army special operations wing

2924
01:42:47,990 --> 01:42:46,239
is there um before stewart a lot of

2925
01:42:48,550 --> 01:42:48,000
people don't realize is the largest land

2926
01:42:50,149 --> 01:42:48,560
mass

2927
01:42:53,189 --> 01:42:50,159
army base in the united states so

2928
01:42:55,189 --> 01:42:53,199
there's a lot of weird things out there

2929
01:42:56,629 --> 01:42:55,199
and i work night shift for the latter

2930
01:42:59,830 --> 01:42:56,639
part of my career and

2931
01:43:01,750 --> 01:42:59,840
i i can distinctly remember being

2932
01:43:03,750 --> 01:43:01,760
uh you know up at like three o'clock in

2933
01:43:04,470 --> 01:43:03,760
the morning and working in the garage or

2934
01:43:09,430 --> 01:43:04,480
something

2935
01:43:12,629 --> 01:43:09,440
and seeing two low-flying triangular

2936
01:43:14,470 --> 01:43:12,639
looking crafts coming across the flight

2937
01:43:15,350 --> 01:43:14,480
line following the ogichi river headed

2938
01:43:18,070 --> 01:43:15,360
out towards

2939
01:43:20,470 --> 01:43:18,080
the atlantic ocean in fact where the

2940
01:43:23,109 --> 01:43:20,480
roosevelt pilots in 2015

2941
01:43:24,709 --> 01:43:23,119
encountered their objects that was it

2942
01:43:27,750 --> 01:43:24,719
was a stone throw for my house the

2943
01:43:30,790 --> 01:43:27,760
atlantic was right there

2944
01:43:33,109 --> 01:43:30,800
now these looked interesting they i

2945
01:43:36,310 --> 01:43:33,119
think they probably were the rq

2946
01:43:37,990 --> 01:43:36,320
175 or ru 180 or an early variant of

2947
01:43:40,229 --> 01:43:38,000
that the new drones

2948
01:43:42,149 --> 01:43:40,239
um so but i never had any doubt they

2949
01:43:44,149 --> 01:43:42,159
weren't hours

2950
01:43:45,669 --> 01:43:44,159
but that says we do have some

2951
01:43:46,070 --> 01:43:45,679
interesting stuff that people don't know

2952
01:43:47,750 --> 01:43:46,080
about

2953
01:43:49,990 --> 01:43:47,760
and they do come out you know late at

2954
01:43:51,109 --> 01:43:50,000
night and fly this type of stuff so i

2955
01:43:54,149 --> 01:43:51,119
think

2956
01:43:55,430 --> 01:43:54,159
well yeah go ahead i'm sorry no i was

2957
01:43:56,870 --> 01:43:55,440
just gonna say i think i've always said

2958
01:43:57,830 --> 01:43:56,880
that i think there's a combination of

2959
01:44:00,149 --> 01:43:57,840
all of the above

2960
01:44:00,950 --> 01:44:00,159
i think there's i agree i agree with

2961
01:44:04,790 --> 01:44:00,960
that um

2962
01:44:07,030 --> 01:44:04,800
one of the things though why would that

2963
01:44:08,149 --> 01:44:07,040
well i i think someone tried to answer

2964
01:44:10,470 --> 01:44:08,159
this for me

2965
01:44:13,750 --> 01:44:10,480
and the question was why would these big

2966
01:44:16,709 --> 01:44:13,760
huge triangles fly over populated areas

2967
01:44:17,030 --> 01:44:16,719
if they were you know top secret and you

2968
01:44:20,070 --> 01:44:17,040
know

2969
01:44:21,430 --> 01:44:20,080
uh one of the an email i got from

2970
01:44:23,109 --> 01:44:21,440
someone

2971
01:44:24,790 --> 01:44:23,119
it's they said it's purposely because

2972
01:44:26,149 --> 01:44:24,800
they want to see who reports and why do

2973
01:44:28,790 --> 01:44:26,159
they report it as

2974
01:44:29,669 --> 01:44:28,800
and if they're reporting it as a ufo

2975
01:44:31,910 --> 01:44:29,679
then great

2976
01:44:33,030 --> 01:44:31,920
because this is top secret you know i

2977
01:44:36,229 --> 01:44:33,040
mean

2978
01:44:40,709 --> 01:44:36,239
uh i understand the logic if that

2979
01:44:44,310 --> 01:44:40,719
is it if it's true sure i mean that

2980
01:44:45,510 --> 01:44:44,320
you know maybe um i think the other

2981
01:44:46,790 --> 01:44:45,520
thing here then i always

2982
01:44:48,790 --> 01:44:46,800
tell people when when you want to

2983
01:44:50,310 --> 01:44:48,800
examine it from a classified technology

2984
01:44:52,709 --> 01:44:50,320
standpoint

2985
01:44:53,430 --> 01:44:52,719
uh so like i said we're here my wife

2986
01:44:56,470 --> 01:44:53,440
we're

2987
01:44:58,629 --> 01:44:56,480
at an air base here in germany uh our

2988
01:45:01,109 --> 01:44:58,639
air base here has about

2989
01:45:02,470 --> 01:45:01,119
you know i think six seven eight

2990
01:45:03,830 --> 01:45:02,480
thousand uh federal

2991
01:45:05,669 --> 01:45:03,840
employees and probably two or three

2992
01:45:07,590 --> 01:45:05,679
thousand civilian employees

2993
01:45:09,430 --> 01:45:07,600
uh there's a hospital there's a you know

2994
01:45:10,550 --> 01:45:09,440
grocery store there's the military

2995
01:45:13,750 --> 01:45:10,560
version of the walmart

2996
01:45:14,390 --> 01:45:13,760
the bx um schools i mean you name it it

2997
01:45:18,229 --> 01:45:14,400
is a

2998
01:45:20,790 --> 01:45:18,239
community size of 10 000 population um

2999
01:45:22,229 --> 01:45:20,800
so huge significant infrastructure i

3000
01:45:23,030 --> 01:45:22,239
don't even know what the budget is but

3001
01:45:27,270 --> 01:45:23,040
clearly in the

3002
01:45:29,270 --> 01:45:27,280
the millions that is for 24

3003
01:45:30,629 --> 01:45:29,280
f-16 fighter jets that's all that's here

3004
01:45:33,750 --> 01:45:30,639
amazing one fight

3005
01:45:36,629 --> 01:45:33,760
amazing wow

3006
01:45:37,030 --> 01:45:36,639
and is that considered a large base for

3007
01:45:39,830 --> 01:45:37,040
other

3008
01:45:40,870 --> 01:45:39,840
operations besides oh no no this is so

3009
01:45:43,350 --> 01:45:40,880
you're talking that

3010
01:45:44,229 --> 01:45:43,360
someone that has a a base that has a lot

3011
01:45:45,910 --> 01:45:44,239
more

3012
01:45:47,350 --> 01:45:45,920
equipment on it it's going to be much

3013
01:45:49,590 --> 01:45:47,360
more popular

3014
01:45:52,149 --> 01:45:49,600
oh god yes yeah you're fort stewart yes

3015
01:45:52,870 --> 01:45:52,159
i grew up on military bases or around

3016
01:45:56,830 --> 01:45:52,880
them and yes

3017
01:46:00,709 --> 01:45:56,840
this is this is tiny but i bring that up

3018
01:46:02,310 --> 01:46:00,719
24 planes think of all the logistics

3019
01:46:05,430 --> 01:46:02,320
necessary

3020
01:46:07,990 --> 01:46:05,440
where are those same types of logistics

3021
01:46:10,310 --> 01:46:08,000
and everything necessary to house

3022
01:46:12,709 --> 01:46:10,320
potentially classified aerospace

3023
01:46:14,550 --> 01:46:12,719
programs that have gone on for decades

3024
01:46:16,149 --> 01:46:14,560
i mean we put them in with sightings

3025
01:46:18,470 --> 01:46:16,159
like they where

3026
01:46:20,709 --> 01:46:18,480
where where is it where are they hiding

3027
01:46:22,470 --> 01:46:20,719
them i mean

3028
01:46:24,390 --> 01:46:22,480
well i can't believe we only have three

3029
01:46:25,109 --> 01:46:24,400
minutes left and so i thought this

3030
01:46:27,669 --> 01:46:25,119
question

3031
01:46:28,790 --> 01:46:27,679
from kevin was a appropriate one what's

3032
01:46:30,629 --> 01:46:28,800
coming next

3033
01:46:33,030 --> 01:46:30,639
i think he means up you know on your

3034
01:46:35,189 --> 01:46:33,040
your website debrief.org

3035
01:46:36,070 --> 01:46:35,199
cool well first of all hey kevin it is

3036
01:46:38,550 --> 01:46:36,080
great to

3037
01:46:40,390 --> 01:46:38,560
hear from you i know kevin from way back

3038
01:46:42,149 --> 01:46:40,400
you know kevin yeah he's great yeah yeah

3039
01:46:45,189 --> 01:46:42,159
yeah

3040
01:46:47,109 --> 01:46:45,199
he does and

3041
01:46:49,030 --> 01:46:47,119
and i apologize kevin i know i have

3042
01:46:50,550 --> 01:46:49,040
haven't gotten back to you in late but

3043
01:46:52,470 --> 01:46:50,560
now you see with the debrief

3044
01:46:54,070 --> 01:46:52,480
hopefully you understand the what i've

3045
01:46:55,189 --> 01:46:54,080
been busy to but now i'm glad to see

3046
01:46:56,550 --> 01:46:55,199
your name because i need to get back

3047
01:46:59,270 --> 01:46:56,560
with you we thought about some stuff

3048
01:47:00,390 --> 01:46:59,280
we need to get back to you anyway um

3049
01:47:04,629 --> 01:47:00,400
what's next

3050
01:47:06,390 --> 01:47:04,639
uh you know when it comes to

3051
01:47:08,149 --> 01:47:06,400
the debrief let's just say that i mean

3052
01:47:10,149 --> 01:47:08,159
we already we established that we said

3053
01:47:12,149 --> 01:47:10,159
we want to cover breakthrough science

3054
01:47:13,830 --> 01:47:12,159
and disruptive technology and so you're

3055
01:47:14,149 --> 01:47:13,840
going to see continuous stories coming

3056
01:47:17,510 --> 01:47:14,159
out

3057
01:47:19,109 --> 01:47:17,520
that uh you know examine a bias towards

3058
01:47:21,590 --> 01:47:19,119
future technology and things

3059
01:47:22,950 --> 01:47:21,600
and and give a venue to for people to

3060
01:47:25,270 --> 01:47:22,960
kind of see that kind of

3061
01:47:27,189 --> 01:47:25,280
reporting on that because we we think

3062
01:47:28,470 --> 01:47:27,199
that it's not just about reporting it

3063
01:47:30,390 --> 01:47:28,480
but it's also

3064
01:47:32,070 --> 01:47:30,400
twofold inspiring innovation and

3065
01:47:35,270 --> 01:47:32,080
technology and also

3066
01:47:37,030 --> 01:47:35,280
um you know people you know

3067
01:47:38,470 --> 01:47:37,040
asking people questions that relate to

3068
01:47:39,830 --> 01:47:38,480
the ethics and things that are involved

3069
01:47:40,629 --> 01:47:39,840
in technology so we can get ahead of

3070
01:47:42,470 --> 01:47:40,639
those curves

3071
01:47:43,910 --> 01:47:42,480
um now if you were talking about just

3072
01:47:47,990 --> 01:47:43,920
ufos

3073
01:47:49,510 --> 01:47:48,000
um i don't know yet uh

3074
01:47:51,109 --> 01:47:49,520
not that i'm hiding anything from it

3075
01:47:54,310 --> 01:47:51,119
i'll be honest with you this last

3076
01:47:56,709 --> 01:47:54,320
article took a lot of work that i

3077
01:47:58,550 --> 01:47:56,719
don't think people really recognize and

3078
01:48:01,510 --> 01:47:58,560
don't expect them to like that's not

3079
01:48:03,189 --> 01:48:01,520
i don't say that for for any reason

3080
01:48:06,870 --> 01:48:03,199
other than to just say

3081
01:48:10,149 --> 01:48:06,880
is very taxing and consuming um

3082
01:48:11,830 --> 01:48:10,159
and and so um

3083
01:48:14,149 --> 01:48:11,840
i never want to get a position where i'm

3084
01:48:14,550 --> 01:48:14,159
forcing ufo stories because i think

3085
01:48:16,310 --> 01:48:14,560
people

3086
01:48:18,310 --> 01:48:16,320
want to hear them because i think that's

3087
01:48:20,629 --> 01:48:18,320
people fall into traps

3088
01:48:21,669 --> 01:48:20,639
of shame i'm glad to hear you say that

3089
01:48:24,229 --> 01:48:21,679
because that

3090
01:48:24,950 --> 01:48:24,239
that is the downfall of a lot of really

3091
01:48:29,030 --> 01:48:24,960
good people

3092
01:48:32,070 --> 01:48:29,040
in this field like they become less

3093
01:48:33,669 --> 01:48:32,080
significant so they create um

3094
01:48:35,189 --> 01:48:33,679
i've just seen it happen so many times

3095
01:48:36,390 --> 01:48:35,199
unfortunately um

3096
01:48:38,629 --> 01:48:36,400
you know they they try to make

3097
01:48:41,990 --> 01:48:38,639
themselves you know more

3098
01:48:43,430 --> 01:48:42,000
important um and and

3099
01:48:45,109 --> 01:48:43,440
stretch the truth i should say or

3100
01:48:47,830 --> 01:48:45,119
whatever it is to

3101
01:48:49,270 --> 01:48:47,840
you know become pertinent but anyway i'm

3102
01:48:51,510 --> 01:48:49,280
glad to hear you say that

3103
01:48:52,709 --> 01:48:51,520
and uh but it's been a real pleasure i

3104
01:48:54,950 --> 01:48:52,719
really have uh

3105
01:48:57,189 --> 01:48:54,960
enjoyed talking to you today absolutely

3106
01:49:00,390 --> 01:48:57,199
anytime anything yeah anytime martin

3107
01:49:03,430 --> 01:49:00,400
great man great questions excellent

3108
01:49:06,149 --> 01:49:03,440
all right so you take care and talk soon

3109
01:49:07,669 --> 01:49:06,159
talk to you later bye all right so again

3110
01:49:11,669 --> 01:49:07,679
next week we do have

3111
01:49:15,910 --> 01:49:11,679
um coming up on this show we have uh

3112
01:49:19,669 --> 01:49:17,669
i can't remember what his deal was but

3113
01:49:20,950 --> 01:49:19,679
anyway i think it'll be a great show and

3114
01:49:23,270 --> 01:49:20,960
that's not

3115
01:49:24,550 --> 01:49:23,280
tuesday which is in two days that's a

3116
01:49:26,950 --> 01:49:24,560
week from tuesday

3117
01:49:28,070 --> 01:49:26,960
so just keep that in mind and everything

3118
01:49:30,790 --> 01:49:28,080
will be back

3119
01:49:31,750 --> 01:49:30,800
to normal by then and by the way uh i

3120
01:49:35,510 --> 01:49:31,760
just want to share

3121
01:49:38,709 --> 01:49:35,520
this because it is near um

3122
01:49:41,990 --> 01:49:38,719
it is near christmas so check this out

3123
01:49:46,390 --> 01:49:42,000
um this is our merchandise

3124
01:49:48,709 --> 01:49:46,400
and i'm not sure what's going on here

3125
01:49:50,070 --> 01:49:48,719
anyway we do have some t-shirts and all

3126
01:49:53,270 --> 01:49:50,080
kinds of good stuff

3127
01:49:55,270 --> 01:49:53,280
and you know check it out there uh

3128
01:49:56,470 --> 01:49:55,280
if you think about for maybe a christmas

3129
01:49:58,990 --> 01:49:56,480
present for yourself

3130
01:50:00,550 --> 01:49:59,000
or whatever it's right on our website

3131
01:50:03,750 --> 01:50:00,560
podcastufo.com

3132
01:50:06,229 --> 01:50:03,760
and uh and you can get it

3133
01:50:08,550 --> 01:50:06,239
done and shipped in time for christmas

3134
01:50:10,870 --> 01:50:08,560
anyway thanks so much everyone

3135
01:50:12,470 --> 01:50:10,880
and we'll see you next week oh i see

3136
01:50:13,990 --> 01:50:12,480
what's going on i had this

3137
01:50:16,390 --> 01:50:14,000
going like that's what's going on all

3138
01:50:19,990 --> 01:50:16,400
right we'll see you next week

3139
01:50:21,430 --> 01:50:20,000
and uh well actually yeah a week

3140
01:50:22,709 --> 01:50:21,440
you know what i mean on tuesday i just

3141
01:50:23,510 --> 01:50:22,719
don't have the date in front of me i

3142
01:50:26,470 --> 01:50:23,520
think it's the

3143
01:50:27,510 --> 01:50:26,480
22nd is when it will be wow that's the

3144
01:50:30,310 --> 01:50:27,520
week of christmas

3145
01:50:30,950 --> 01:50:30,320
and we'll be giving away you know the

3146
01:50:33,430 --> 01:50:30,960
t-shirts

3147
01:50:34,629 --> 01:50:33,440
at that time so thank you everyone and

3148
01:50:39,620 --> 01:50:34,639
remember to keep your eyes

3149
01:50:54,230 --> 01:50:39,630
to the sky